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proportion of losses among Poles and Jews, although according to the contemporary, and to subsequent estimates, Jewish losses were higher.’ Evidently, he explained, they were ‘fearful of issuing an official estimate which would indicate that Poles were ‘less impacted’ by war than the Jews.’Footnote30 It was one of the first examples of a phenomenon which historians today call ‘Holocaust envy.’Footnote31 In contrast, the 1945 official Polish estimates put the number of Polish victims of World War II at 1.8 million. The most recent estimates put the ethnic Polish losses at closer to 2 million, still well below the Knowledge claim.

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Clearly there are several mainstreams. In Poland, the mainstream figure is 2.77 million, as discussed above. In the US, it appears to be 1.8-1.9 million, if we take the US government-sponsored Holocaust Museum to be representative of the US mainstream view. I guess we could start with Luczak and then

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I sort of agree but disagree. Almost the entire lead is about how many were Jews and how many were non-Jews. Is this really what "World War II casualties of Poland" is all about: how many were Jews? Is this the most important aspect of this topic? I don't think so. Other very basic distinctions, like

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The estimate of 3 million non-Jewish Polish victims of World War II was pulled out of thin air in 1946 by Jakub Berman, head of the Polish security apparatus, in order to establish Polish and Jewish losses on par.Footnote29 According to historian Gniazdowski, officials at the time presented ‘an equal

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This article is developing nicely, but I think all sentences need to be cited. There's a good number of sentences that aren't. I'd like to review this for WikiProject for B-class, but until all sentences have refs, this would be a quickfail. That said, once this is fixed, the article may be ready for

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question about the figures used in the lead, it can be worded better, but essentially the selection of figures mentioned in the lead makes sense: the first official estimate and two latest ones. "Ethnic division of losses" is also quite crucial in the Polish case, besides, it is the information that

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Thanks for the explanations. For now I see no reason to remove the Zeszyty source, as no source that disputes the Zeszyty has been presented (to be clear, I am asking not for a source that presents a different number, but for a source which clearly criticizes the Zeszyty - the journal, the author or

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For some time it was assumed that approximately equal numbers of Polish Christians and Jews were killed during the war. In the case of non-Jewish Poles, the estimate of 3 million included many people killed by the Soviets as well as by the Germans. That number computes to over 10 percent of Polish

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of 2.0 million ethnic Polish war dead which is also detailed in the article, however they decided to use "Zeszyty" as the source for their estimate of 2,770,000 ethnic Polish losses. Łuczak,"Zeszyty" and the IPN report are detailed in the article. A reader can decide how reliable are the three

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I have made it quite clear that the number citedby IPN is originally sourced to Zeszyty. Again I have a PDF of Zeszyty, please E-mail me if you want to view. The bottom line here is the we as editors cannot censor Knowledge and exclude the source that IPN bases their figure on just because we

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to Poland by the Nazis, most of whom were killed at Auschwitz. There were over 300,000 Hungarian Jews killed at Auschwitz, actually more than the number of Polish Jews killed there. Are these deaths included in official statistics at all? I think they should be mentioned here in some

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IPN is more reliable then Zeszyty; if there's controversy w/ regards to the number, a good solution would be to add a footnote noting that the number is cited by IPN, originally sourced to Zeszyty. Now, is there any other reliable source which clearly disputes this number?

1124:. That is why I put it up. Proch's statistics are here for readers to evaluate. We cannot choose the right number for readers or add our own commentary, we as editors of Knowledge must have a reliable source that backs up our edits. What you need is a source that says 793: 1843:) The authors of the (IPN) report point out that the figure of 2,770,000 deaths during the German occupation should be treated with caution. They maintain that it is difficult to obtain accurate information on the exact number and causes of Poland's losses.( 2489:

We can change something here, but frankly I don't see a reason. Lead explains why the 3 million figure given in 1947 is controversial and gives alternate, more recent estimates from 1994 and 2009. I don't see how this can be changed for the better.

2210:, we should discuss whether it's appropriate to lead with the 3.0 million number for ethnic Poles. This number dates back to the immediate postwar years. It doesn't seem to be supported by more recent research. Even the IPN speaks of 2.77 million; 1874:) The IPN figure of 2,770,000 and Zeszyty are linked together hand and glove. Since IPN cites Zeszyty as its source, we as editors were are obliged to detail how Zeszyty derived its figures. Again I have a PDF of Zeszyty, I can forward by E mail-- 2465:

The whole thing is complicated by the fact that some estimates like Luczak's include 500,000 – 1 million Belarussians, Ukrainians and other minorities. Different estimates can come up with the same total based on what they include or exclude. :/

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was used in the cities, forced workers were recruited in town and cities by German or local administration. Poles were victims of allied bombings, they weren't sometimes allowed into shelters. Babies of the workers were routinely mishandled, see

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I would like to point out that I have made an effort to present all the major sources that have been published re: Poland's war dead. As editors we should not attempt to decide which are the "correct numbers" and censor those that we consider

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The Institute of National Remembrance did in fact provide a similar format showing these sources. Readers need to see the various estimates for Polish losses and reliable sources that provide analysis. We as editors cannot choose the "correct

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One of the sources, as claimed in the article, just provide a number and never how those numbers were derived. There are a lot of anti soviet/russia groups whose jobs are to vilify. Only claims that can show their work should be included. -G

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Waldemar Grabowski, Raport. Straty ludzkie poniesione przez Polskę w latach 1939-1945, Polska 1939–1945. Straty osobowe i ofiary represji pod dwiema okupacjami, pod red. Tomasza Szaroty i Wojciecha Materskiego, IPN 2009. (maybe this is it

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I think that as long as we have a discussion explaining older figures and provide the relevant context, as well as cite the full range of numbers in the literature (see Marcelus' comment on that discussion) then your proposal sounds

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Stowarzyszenie is an organization, "Zeszyty" is a journal (not regarded as academic by the Ministry of Scince) and this specific article has been written by a hobby historian. A reader can decide how reliable are the three different

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To reword: what is the mainstream view today? (I am unsure, I'd just point out that Waldemar Grabowski cited above, 2009 and 2018, seems to be the most recent word on this?). Btw, the last name similarity is probably accidental?

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http://books.google.pl/books?vid=ISBN0801432871&id=z_Z_nJnzTp4C&pg=PA155&lpg=PA155&dq=Soviet+looting+Poland&sig=lN7Yzdbz856u9rg-CnpaWShL28I&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Soviet%20looting%20Poland&f=false

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that is why it is necessary to include it in the article. This journal is held at Polish academic libraries as well as Stanford Univ in the U.S. I have a PDF of the article. Contact me by E mail if you want to review--

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civilian v. military, or killed by Germans v. killed by Soviets, is absent from the lead and buried in the body. And nowhere does the lead actually answer the question; it just lists other people's answers without any

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There is an obvious and direct connection -the figures that add up to 2,770,000 ethnic Polish dead are taken directly from Zeszyty Historyczne Stowarzyszenia Żołnierzy Armii Krajowej". The IPN cites this as the

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casualties are still unsettled. While there is fairly widespread agreement on the number of Jews killed, other recent estimates for the number of ethnic Poles killed have ranged as high as 2.77 million.

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I'm not sure if Kidnapping includes Ausländerkinder-Pflegestätte. German sources give the number of dead babies as 100 000 - 200 000, but they don't say what was the ratio of Polish victims among them.

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showing the 2.77 million estimate). In the other document I couldn't find a revised figure, only comments pointing out areas where further research is needed to come up with a more precise estimate.

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The first link by W. Grabowski looks like the aforementioned IPN document ("Polska 1939–1945. Straty osobowe i ofiary represji pod dwiema okupacjami") that's currently mentioned in the lead. (Cf.

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It is estimated that the Germans killed between 1.8 and 1.9 million non-Jewish Polish civilians during World War II. In addition, the Germans murdered at least 3 million Jewish citizens of Poland

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I agree but dont have a clue on how to apply this bot. I have grey hair, and lived most of my life in the world when the only computers were owned by Fortune 500 companies and the government. --

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casualties are still unsettled. While there is fairly widespread agreement on the number of Jews killed, current estimates for the number of ethnic Poles killed range from 1.5 to 2.77 million.

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In my view we should give the reader the best, most widely supported figure first, rather than giving the outdated figure and then saying one particular historian has disputed it. Thoughts? --

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See Tabela 5. Represje sowieckie wobec obywateli II Rzeczypospolitej Tabela 11. Straty względne narodu polskiego w latach II wojny światowej (wywiezieni, deportowani, emigracja) (w tys.)--

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Wojciech Materski and Tomasz Szarota. Polska 1939–1945. Straty osobowe i ofiary represji pod dwiema okupacjami.Institute of National Remembrance(IPN) Warszawa 2009 ISBN 978-83-7629-067-6

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Waldemar Grabowski, Straty osobowe II Rzeczypospolitej w latach II wojny światowej. Czy można ustalić dokładną liczbę?, „Biuletyn IPN” 2018, nr 9. (I think this is availale here:

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Why? Because some sources are more reliable than others. So we choose reliable sources rather than unreliable ones, criticized by Woogie. Do we quote US army veterans "journals"?

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As far as I know there is no comprehensive simultaneous balance of the European population for each country 1939-1945. Off Wki I can discuss my OR, on Wiki I must remain silent.--

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is probably much more reliable than any others, because the Institute has staff and money and access to former research. A list suggests that all sources are equal - they aren't.

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Figure of 104K is for 1939 only; Poles who escaped to Romania & Lithuania. Bajer calculates 69% (104,000) of the 150,000 persons who escaped from Poland(See page 10) --

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put total losses at around 6.0 million – 3.0 million Jews, 2.0 million ethnic Poles, and 1.0 million Polish citizens from other ethnic groups. But statistics for Polish

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We aren't obliged to quote unprecize statements, too. Let American cultural imperialist learn history and geography of Europe before they start to preach. Does

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I don't have the book, I believe that names of groups of people were changed because of the censorship and rewritten in the book, the numbers weren't changed.

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different sources. On the other hand do we have a source that clearly says Zeszyty" and the 2009 IPN report are not reliable? That would be a game changer.--

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Some Germans (5 000 according to Nazi sources) died in 1939, mostly arrested and killed by the Polish police - both Nazi terrorists and respected activists.

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for some related content. Surprisingly, pl wiki does not have an article on this. It has a poorer quality entry on German occupation casualties only, at

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The book by the IPN contains hundreds of pages and I doubt very much that there exists obvious connection between quoting Bajer and the final number.

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I have recently seen a map in "Wysiedlenia, wypędzenia i ucieczki 1930–1959. Atlas ziem Polski" and I believe the number is 300 000. I'll check it.

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I think this supports the higher end estimate (total 5.9m, out of which Jewish losses are 2.9m)? Unless I am misreading something, it's late...

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Many were drafted into Wehrmacht or Waffen SS, many of them died as Nazis. Many were POWs and joined Polish Army in the West and died as Allies.

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Take into account that both USHMM (actually 1.8 to 1.9) and Polonsky (1.5 to 2.0) are talking only about the victims of the Nazi occupation.

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If three million ethnic Poles killed is not the mainstream view today, then we should not give that number first. First impressions count.

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Sometimes we do. First you have to prove that the "Zeszyty Historyczne Stowarzyszenia Żołnierzy Armii Krajowej" is an unreliable source. --

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quotes 100 000 - 200 000 dead babies, I don't know how many of them Polish, certainly tens of thousands, it's far from being minor details.

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The IPN cited the "Zeszyty Historyczne Stowarzyszenia Żołnierzy Armii Krajowej" as the source to estimate 2,770,000 ethnic Polish war dead

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Report on the losses suffered by Poland as a result of the German aggression and occupation during World War II in the years 1939-1945

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Do you have a reliable source that we can cite that backs up your remarks? The bottom line is that in the English speaking world the

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consider Zeszyty unreliable. I noted in the article that IPN has reservations with the figure The IPN noted that Bajers study was

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Poland wasn't liberated, because Red Army and NKVD committed mass crimes here. They were supported by many Poles but it wasn't a

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Liczbę tę należy traktować orientacyjnie, gdyż dla samej Warszawy historycy mają problem z ustaleniem liczby ofiar bezpowrotnych

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Kazimierz Piesowicz's paper was censored. The case is discussed in "Historia gospodarcza Polski", Leszczyńska, Jezierski.

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the figure of 1.3 million is the net total from 1939-45. I added a clarification in the notes to the schedule.--

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Denial of the Denial, or the Battle of Auschwitz: Debates about the Demography and Geopolitics of the Holocaust

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About 100,000 Poles were killed in an ethnic cleansing operation carried out by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army

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Piesowicz, Kazimierz. Demographic effects of World War II. Studia Demograficzne, No. 1/87, 1987. 103-36 pp

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If we disregard Zeszyty as a source we will discredit the IPN figure of 2,770,000 ethnic Polish war dead--

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civilians were strafed from the air with machine gun fire in what became known as a terror bombing campaign

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K. Bajer, Zakres udziału Polaków w walce o niepodległość na obszarze państwa polskiego w latach 1939-1945,

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dismiss Knowledge as unreliable, but in private when nobody is looking they check us out. What's Up Doc?

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Here you can see on Table nr. 10 IPN figure of 2,770,000 is originally sourced to Zeszyty Digital copy:

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I will be adding a lot more to article, I have to read Polish sources, which takes time. Stay tuned.--

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I do not know how to cut and paste Wikimedia photos to a page. Please add some photos and graphics.--

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It's rather obvious who fought in Poland, no US, British or French troops were observed there.

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readers will most often look for. To be honest some articles in the same topic, for example

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gentiles, and, even if one accepts the lower estimate of 1.5 million, it is a terrible toll.

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active in Poland were the Soviets and Poles themselves, both Communist Army and underground.

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In all, between 1,5 and 2 million ethnic Poles lost their lives during the Nazi occupation

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Pohl, Dieter (2011). "JUST HOW MANY? ON THE DEATH TOLL OF JEWISH VICTIMS OF NAZI CRIMES".

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Some newer works from Polish historiography that might be worth reviewing and citing:

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The only possible balance is Poland (in pre-war borders) and SU (in pre-war borders).

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Nazis evacuted the majority of camps inmates, later liberated and filmed by US Army.

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http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2010/feb/24/a-fascist-hero-in-democratic-kiev/

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I have a PDF of the Bajer Study. Contact me by E mail if you want to take a peek--

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Table 5 - all persecuted, which included any form - death, camp, deportation to

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going on in the footnote to Luczak here, the one where it mentions Lech Walesa.

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The second paragraph of the lead is the first to introduce figures. It begins:

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Per Levivich above, it would make sense to summarise other aspects as well.

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Ryszard Kaczmarek "Polacy w Wehrmachcie" Wydawnictwo Literackie Kraków 2010

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I don't know how many forced workers died, but rather not minor numbers.

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POLSKA 1939-1945 STRATY OSOBOWE I OFIARY REPRESJI POD DWIEMA OKUPACJAMI

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I'm not sure if "the journal of the veterans" should be quoted here.

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Listing of different quality data misinforms. With all due respect

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Can you propose rewording the lead somewhere? In sandbox or else

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Unfortunately some of the quoted sources aren't available, see

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in the banner shell. Please resolve this conflict if possible.

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War and Genocide: A Concise History of the Holocaust

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