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the hearts and minds of Palestinians worldwide was (and may still be) a strategic objective for many political organizations. it is unfortunate that Israel had lost that strategic position despite the fact that over 3 million Palestinians comprising 3 generations were under its direct disposal for half a century. Anyway I realize that this page is about history and less about rhetoric. In order to synthesise however one must start out with a theory and be honest about it. There is no research without theory, and no theory without ideology. I promise therefore to providing more specifics in the future.
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It says in the article that a cease-fire was struck between the Palestinian National Salvation Front (PNSF) and the Amal, during the WotC. While this may be correct, it strikes me as odd. The PNSF was the pro-Syrian gathering of Palestinians (Abu Musa, Sa'iqa, PFLP-GC etc) which fought alongside Amal
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What Equitor says would probably be true if ideology and rhetoric had nothing to do with politics and power distribution. The reality is to the contrary. The war of the camps had caught the attention of all foreign ministries in the region (and perhaps the world)because Palestinians mattered. Winning
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Pauline Cutting, in her book "Children of The Siege" describes the suffering of Palestinians in the camps as she was a doctor on a humanitarian mission during the deadliest fighting. She points out the psychological impact Iranian volunteer fighters had as they broke the siege with Hezbollah. The war
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Is this the 'correct' term? Or should it be something like "Islamo-progressive" (which looks more 'usual'). The simple indicator of using Google counts shows 4+ 'hits' on "Islamo-progressist" (with most of those copies of this article) and 15+ hits on "Islamo-progressive" (I've been hyper lately
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I am not too sure that this paragraph is relevant to the subject, but can the person who added it provide more information? When and where did this take place? They were a lot of camps and a lot of rounds. Also, I doubt that the rise of the Hezbollah has anything to do with the war of the camps, it
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of the camps introduced new players in the region and ended others. Along with them old stale ideologies went and newer ones flourished. Syria remained a major player for years. Hezbollah paved its way as a Lebanese galvanizing force that would liberate south Lebanon in the years to come.
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I am interested in the “more than 2,000” quoted in section . I have found the same correspondent saying (in another report six months later) that 3,000 to 4,000 Palestinian fighters returned in 1985.
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There are a couple of references to casualties in the Shia districts caused by shelling from the Chouf. They imply the numbers were high but no figures are quoted.
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I am also trying to make sense of causality numbers. I have some quiet low numbers of fatalities but it is not clear if they only refer to a phase of the fighting.
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My understanding is “War of the Flags” is used to refers to the week of fighting starting 17 February 1987 between Amal and Druze not to the whole period.
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during most of this period. If they were fighting, maybe the article should tell us why - also, maybe it should tell us who they are.
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was mainly due to Syrian-Iranian support, radical rethorics and attacks against Israel/Western forces.--
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I have 1,000 for the number of Palestinians who disappeared around Tyre, but no estimate for Beirut.
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The numbers and destination of people fleeing the fighting is also a bit muddled.
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Hopefully be able to kick something into shape. Any clues gratefully received.
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I'd say conflict (war) inside LCW (like the Israeli-Palestinian in Lebanon). --
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about misspellings and came across this in my travels)
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