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I am new to this process as this is my first GA review, although I have taken a number of articles through the GA process, and have followed the process carefully, so I hope to be fair and thorough. The good article guidelines will form the basis for my assessment. I am aware that the article failed
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I am happy with the lead. It introduces the subject, and summarises the contents quite well. I have changed one sentence to improve the flow of the language. I'm not in favour of striking things out, as it makes it difficult to read and the review is an important record of the process. However, I
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I see what you mean. I got the longitude wrong (142E instead of 142W) and Oboe was about as far away from Korea as you can get while staying in the northern Pacific. I dropped a couple of maps onto Wikimedia, on which I plotted the positions, (see
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I have read the article several times, and started to check some of the refs. I will make notes on the content as I go, and will assess the lead at the end, following which I will formally assess it against the good article criteria.
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Some clarification needed. Did the merchant vessels radio their observations to the weather ships, who then forwarded them? ie did weather ships collect observations from merchant vessels, which were reported to them by radio?
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have marked the sections where all concerns have been addressed. There remain a couple to do, but I think we are nearly there. I am now away until 3 April, so will fill in the formal review as soon as I get back.
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This representation clearly shows that the vast ocean areas of the southern hemisphere are not covered by a similar observing system. It will be a future task to find an adequate and economical solution for this
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Pacific weather ship A ("Able") was renamed ship P ("Peter") and moved 200 miles (320 km) to the east-northeast in December 1949. Pacific weather vessel F ("Fox") was renamed N ("Nan")
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Was vessel Oboe moved because of the perceived security risk of the Korean war? Some indication that ship Sugar was further north and much further east might provide some context.
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ref 8 mentions a specific cause (the loss of a PanAm flight) which acted as a catalyst to the setting up of the network, and would be a useful addition to the article.
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While a good guess, since it's not referenceable, I don't think we can add that information. I did some digging after the first GAN review, and revealed nothing new.
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Was vessel C the one that reduced the total from 9 to 8, or was this a further reduction? If the first, I suggest joining the two sentences to make it more obvious.
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I have made a couple of edits, to remove the large number of "operated"s in the first para. Please feel free to improve my selection of alternative words.
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The jump from the German boats to the 327-foot coastguard cutters is not obvious. Presumably, the cutters were American? This needs to be clearer.
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The ultimate location of the weather ships is located in the table by latitude and longitude. Added your maps to the article as well.
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does not read well. Some rewording would be good. Also, very short sentences, here. Try some conjunctions, to make it flow better.
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in the North Atlantic (or wherever), weather vessel F ... and so ships D and E were repositioned to maintain the coverage
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This seems to be the weakest part of the article. I have made some minor copy edits, but it still needs some attention.
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Responded to a number of them. For the issues you feel are dealt with, strike them out so I know what issues remain.
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I have made one further change to the 1940s section, and am also happy that all points raised have been addressed.
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It is. Synoptic hours are merely midnight, 6 am, noon, and 6 pm Greenwich Mean Time (Universal Coordinated Time)
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The five Weather Bureau employees who were based on board the vessels worked between 40 and 63 hours each week.
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Just the lead to go. It seems like quite a lot so far, but most of them are easily fixed I think. Back soon.
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Ref 24 does not suggest that ships were prohibitively expensive, only that they were much more expensive.
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a previous review recently, but am also aware that a lot of improvements have been made since that time.
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In the Pacific, weather ship A ... was renamed ... and moved, while weather vessel F ... was renamed ...
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I think I've responded to all the remaining comments now. Let me know if I haven't when you get back.
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The reference does not clarify this. I'll see if I can find a reference that does specify it.
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The work weeks for the five Weather Bureau employees aboard the vessels totaled 40 to 63 hours.
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Weather vessel F ("Fox") was discontinued ... which forced a subsequent change in location ...
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It took me a while to figure this out, because it is now ref 9. The phrase has been added.
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Weather ships also reported observations from merchant vessels, which were reported by radio.
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Better than the previous section, but one or two issues. I have made some copyedits.
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Royal Navy needs to be more clearly linked with corvettes rather than stations, and
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See if that clarifies the situation. Added the page number (by my count page 2).
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Congratulations on an interesting article. I am passing this as a good article.
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Should I reword what I have? Maybe interest was too strong of a word.
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their role had been largely superseded by weather buoys by design
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There was an interest in deploying more ships south of the
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to operate their two stations, previously used by the
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due to its value ... due to an international agreement
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does not appear to be supported by ref 20. (now 21).
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Specified where the information is radioed back to.
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