Talk:Wiman of Gojoseon - Knowledge (XXG)

2462:, to ensure the widest number of participants (especially those who aren't necessarily experts on ancient Korea/China (and I think more importantly, less apt to participate in the frequent ethnocentric arguments that occur in Chinese/Korean history disputes). Also, Google hits are definitely not the preferred way to establish what name has primacy. You would do well to provide reliable sources, either from books, scholarly journals, and the like, that have been published by reputable historians. It would also be useful to consider what other encyclopedias use (Britannica, Columbia, and Encarta encyclopedias come to mind, but others should not be excluded). This is also helpful to editors such as myself, who know little about history of the region. If you're only using Google hits (which are notoriously unreliable), you'll stand a much greater chance of failing to convince the closing admin that your position has merit (I of course will not close this move request, now that I'm sufficiently involved in it). To address the move specifically, I have no opinion at the moment about which name is preferred, at least based on the evidence thus far provided. It would be helpful if editors more familiar with this topic were to provide some hard evidence about the preference in English-language sources. 2572:. If this is a problem, Wiman Joseon can be added to the template, since it's an important enough period in Korean history. Also, I'm not clear what you mean by "Chinese expansion". If you're speaking in terms of culture, flow of Chinese culture into the Korean peninsula started long before Wiman, and Yan, the main source of that flow, was itself a cultural melting pot between indigenous and Chinese cultures. If you're speaking in terms of polity, context of Chinese political expansion into the Korean peninsula usually pertains to Han Dynasty's invasion of Wiman Joseon and establishment of 4670:"As the Yen gave way in China to the Qin (221-207 B.C.) and the Han dynasties (206 B.C.-A.D. 220), Chosn declined, and refugee populations migrated eastward. Out of this milieu, emerged Wiman, a man who assumed the kingship of Chosn sometime between 194 and 180 B.C. The Kingdom of Wiman Chosn melded Chinese influence, and under the Old Chosn federated structure--apparently reinvigorated under Wiman--the state again expanded over hundreds of kilometers of territory. Its ambitions ran up against a Han invasion, however, and Wiman Chosn fell in 108 B.C." 5053:"The elevation of Tan'gun to historical status is a direct challenge to Kija, a Shang aristocrat enfeoffed in Choson at the time of the fall of the Shang dynasty. Kija was later followed by Wiman, a general from the state of Yan who arrived around 195—194 BC to set up Wiman Choson and whose descendants later contested Han emperor Wu's invasion in 108 BC. Thus, the traditionally accepted dynastic state sequence of the Sam Choson of Kochoson, Kija Choson, and Wiman Choson has been overturned in the revised Korean ancestral state lineage." 797:

Korean history." If we compare the overall history of China and the overall history of Korea, the weight of Wei Man would be different because China was too large to discuss the situation of a "borderland" in detail. But if you focus on specific issues, say, the history of Yan and that of Pyongyang, we will get a different result. And checking "What links here" doesn't make too much sense because Knowledge (XXG) is incomplete. Whether an article exists or not depends on whether it interests active Wikipedians, not on its significance.

546: 4594:"After a period of decline, Old Choson falls to Wiman, an exile from the Yan state in northern China. Wiman proves to be a strong ruler, but his ambitious program of expansion eventually brings him into conflict with the Han dynasty of China. The Han defeats Wiman Choson and establishes a protectorate over northern Korea in 108 b.c. Resistance to Chinese hegemony, however, is strong, and China reduces the territory under its active control to Nang-nang colony with an administrative center near modern Pyongyang." 1421:"Korea" is a country that was established in 1897 (or 1948). There wasn't "Korea" back in the 2nd century BC. And contrary to the perception of many Koreans, not all of the ancient kingdoms that existed on the Korean peninsula in the past were ruled by the same ethnic as the present Koreans. These kingdoms are mentioned in "Korean history" today only because they existed in places that are within the present territory of Korea, much like Native American history is incorporated into U.S. history. -- 514: 2269: 562: 155: 4722:"In fact, of the entire contents of the Han Account, only three portions are believed to contain information of a historical nature. The first portion states that in the early-second century B.C. (between 194 and 180 B.C.), King Chun of Chosön was attacked by Wei Man, an exile from Yan China, and fled to the Han territory, accompanied only by a few court officials, where he called himself the King of Han." 269: 207: 183: 498: 33: 383: 455: 444: 85: 64: 3285:"On the other hand, the "refugee" who came to Chosun shortly after 200 B.C. is called by his Korean name, Wiman, rather than the Chinese form, Wei-man, because he became a part of the Korean community. It seems no more necessary or appropriate to write his name Wei-man than to render the name of his grandson Ugo according to the Chinese sound of its characters." 1298:," elaborate why you think so. It is not clear. Wiman even being considered being part of China's history is new to everyone, 'cept for this new wave of overseas-living chinese internet heroes who are writting Korean history to whatever supports their ongoing masturbation about Korea being one of their ilk. I still don't know the source of their obsession. 530: 3942:' should be added in front of the word 'established'? Because the first paragraph of the article mentions 'Wi Man was the first ruler in the history of Korea(...)', this might mislead readers to think Wiman of Gojoseon was the first kingdom of the Korean peninsula, which is false, and moreover, Korean Dynasties started from Chinese runaway soldiers. 341: 301: 3044:- We are dealing with ancient Korean monarch, regardless where this wiman character is originated from, all Korean monarch should be named as Korean title. Some ancient Baekje & Silla rulers also born & lived in Japan then came to Korea become ruler; I don't see them using Japanese sound names? --Korsentry 04:54, 5 January 2009 (UTC) 4999:"In the process they re-examined Chinese and Korean historical records and came up with two better authenticated alternatives to Tan'gun as founders of their kingdom, the aforesaid Kija, and Wiman (Ch. Wei Man). Both were apparently of Chinese origin and had founded Chinese-style statelets to set the peninsula on its historical path." 4855:"At this time a large number of people migrated to the Chosŏn fleeing from the Liaoning region on account of the chaos and confusion in China that was produced by the fall of the Chinese Qin Dynasty and the rise of the Han Dynasty. Among these migrants was a man named Wiman who was ordered by King Chun to guard Chosŏn's borders." 5102:"The Shih chi, mentioned earlier, and the Han shu , written in the first century A. D., limit the treatment of Korea in their respective biography sections to descriptions of the establishment of Wiman (Weiman in Chinese) Choson and the military campaigns waged by Emperor Wu ti of Han to subdue this ancient Korean dynasty." 2621:(Korean scholar in Japan) whose names are respectively styled as the way of their migrated countries because they're known to the settled countries much more than to their mother land. As Cydevil38 says well, Wiman played an important role in Korean history. Besides, Wiman has double or triple of book sources than Wei Man 433: 422: 411: 217: 1408:

not even the government structure with the proto-chinese (whatever hell that means since the majority are all Han) states, including Wiman in chinese history is foreign. Korea is the only country that has legimate claims of lineage of Wiman and Wiman Joseon, therefore should exclusively belong in Korean history.

1389:(and it should be noted that what is Chinese or Korean in modern times is not necessarily relevant to ethnic identification back then). Further, Marco Polo was not Chinese; that doesn't mean that he's not part of Chinese history. But I'd like to hear what other people think. I will be filing a RFC. -- 4621:"Sima Qian's Historical Records, written around 100 B.C.E., records that in 195 B.C.E., when the king of the Han Dynasty state of Yan (in the region of modern Beijing) rebelled, one of his lieutenants named Weiman (Wiman in Korean) fled east to Choson (Chaoxian in Chinese) with a thousand followers." 4349:"According to Samguk Yusa, the Kica Cosen period was initiated around 1120 BC by Kica, a scion of the fallen Shang Dynasty of China who fled to Ancient Cosen and the Wiman Cosen period was begun around 194 BC by Wiman, a Chinese military leader of Yen who fled to Ancient Cosen and usurped the throne." 2930:

Weiman-Kelman, Weiman DS, Weiman Chen, Weiman Liao, Weiman and Succar, Ann Weiman, Clara Weiman, Rita Weiman, Weiman republic, Jenny Weiman Peng, Weiman Fang, Peter Weiman, WEIMAN DIV, Weiman Shehui, Zhang Weiman, Carl Weiman, Weiman Ho Shing, NY WEIMAN, Weiman Hsu, Ralph Weiman, The Weiman Co, Ellen

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failed. (As an aside, arguments like "this guy moved to what is now Korea 2000 years ago so his name should be written in a transliteration of modern Korean" are weak. Try instead showing what general English scholarly literature on the subject, not just in the context of Chinese or Korean history,

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For the first point, my question is: How can we secure fairness in the most-common-name policy? I think we can arbitrarily change the result by changing the scope of survey. In this case, you only referred to "history of Korea" things even though I stressed, "Knowledge (XXG) is NOT an encyclopedia of

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In any case, the fact that there is a dispute is an indication that there is no consensus, so I don't understand the part of "drastic deviation from the conensus." (See also above the determination that there was no consensus to move the article to Wiman.) In any case, I am distressed by your lack

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When there are record of him being from state Yan as chinese according Records of the Grand Historian and the Book of Han, which says 史记·卷一百一十五·朝鲜列传第五十五》：朝鲜王满者,故燕人也.自始全燕时尝略属真番,朝鲜,为置吏,筑鄣塞。秦灭燕,属辽东外徼. 汉书·卷九十五·西南夷两粤朝鲜传第六十五》：朝鲜王满，燕人。自始燕时，尝略属真番,朝鲜，为置吏筑障。秦灭燕，属辽东外徼. 燕人 which meaning him as Yan state. Is it

4108:"Here, Wiman was described as a "Gu Yanren 故燕人"or a person from former Yan. It is confusing because there were two Yans around this period. The first was the Yan state, which was one of the seven states during the Warring States period, and the second was the vassal state of Yan of the Han dynasty." 3191:

There is no strong evidence that Chinese history is longer than Korean history. I would question even Yan State being Chinese while your Chinese people don't even speak the language that spoken at Liaodong peninsula. Chinese language family belongs to Southern Chinese. Therefore you can not justify

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Wi Man was undeniable monarch of Korea. According to the Ki-Baek Lee, He is a descendant of Gojoseon peoples, but just lived in Chinese Yan region, and when he come to Korea as an exile, he changed a costume to Koreanized by himself with a his company. As a result, It is important that his identity

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All right, since there appears to be no further discussion at this point, I am going to unprotect the article. Please, however, watch your behaviors. I do think that the appropriate thing to do here is to include both romanizations, but I'm not going to impose that on the article. Please also be

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You can't share history when a newly arisen nation is declared to be successor of a deceased state. I refuse to believe both Korea and china are 'brother countries' that together sprung out of Joseon. Culture and tradition is examined to differenciate people. Seeing how Wiman Joseon shared nothing,

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wikipedia are virtually all from korean history articles. it's not a matter of personal opinion, but the reality that wiman is discussed in korean history contexts and spelled from the korean pronunciation. other names in early korean history are found mostly or even exclusively in chinese records (

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user. It doesn't get any biased than that. Now I'm not sure if everyone here is familiar with current Chinese revisionism (go ahead check my contributions as to see how many crap I revert from Korean articles), so let me explain: These Chinese extremists like to assert that Wiman was a Han Chinese

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The only thing being challenged by many contemporary scholars is the view that Wiman's kingdom was ruled by the Yen refugees, thus developing into a powerful state and having ties with the hsiung-nu, gave much trouble to its neighbor in the South. Bringing iron culture to a foreign society doesn't

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first things first. let's discuss the article naming. the basic rule in wikipedia is to use the common english usage. because wiman is discussed, if at all, by western scholars generally in the context of korea's old joseon, wiman is the more common english spelling. even links to this page within

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The historical sources of Man are the Shiji (and Hanshu) and the Weile (and Sanguozhi). What is deduced from them has nothing to do with the modern Korean nation. As you know, Koreans narrate it as part of the history of Korea, but such an narrative cannot be put without proper attribution here in

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Wait, since when did seniority play a role in deciding whether the article name is appropriate? Anyone care to explain how "Wei Man" is any more appropriate (avoid using arguments such as "this guy was from what is now China 2000 years ago-" you get the picture)? 2006 was two years ago. Knowledge

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If Wei Man is seemingly more associated with Korea than with China, it's not because Wei Man indeed belongs to the history of Korea, but because China has much more to say about history than Korea. You know, China is much larger than Korea. China has much longer history than Korea. The number of

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I don't think you'll get reliable search results unless you put all the words into a single set of quotes (e.g. "Wiman Joseon", "Weiman Korea", etc); otherwise, you'll get unrelated results starting from page 5 or so, such as the "North Dakota Weiman Co." and "Weiman Xu". Furthermore, I suggest

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Rationale for closing after minimal discussion: the move proposer does not actually see the need for a move, but is simply trying to follow procedure on behalf of three editors who have been edit-warring in an attempt to move the article via copy-paste (an action that voids the GDFL and is thus

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That may apply to deceased former countries but I hope you know Korea is, however divided, still present in northeast Asia. China incorporates extinct societies near it and call them fiefdoms because the said people are all dead. Ridiculous. Why don't we place Kyushu into Korean History? That's

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Various ideas can be included with proper attribution in Knowledge (XXG). We are inclusive in this sense. But we have to select one default romanization system because adding multiple spellings every time is redundant. Which system is the best? Pinyin, I think, because he was from the Yan and

4654:"The Han Chinese triumph was possible because the political solidarity of Wiman Joseon, which was nothing more than a loose tribal confederation, was not centralized enough to hold back external invasion. In this region, Wudi established four prefectures: Lelang, Zhenfan, Lintun, and Xientu." 1856:

prohibited). There have been no arguments provided by those attempting to move the article via copy-paste, and it seems doubtful whether any would materialize if the discussion was allowed to continue. Therefore, I'm closing this discussion now, and am also full-protecting the redirect at

4804:"The Chaoxian (Korea) chapter of this Chinese history describes the origin of the first recorded Korean state, called in Korean "Wiman Choson." Wiman, the founder of the new state, had lived in the northeastern Chinese state of Yan but fled to Korea due to shifting political alliances." 4000:"The earliest documented event in Korean history involves China. After an unsuccessful rising against the first Han emperor Gaozu, the defeated rebels sought refuge beyond the imperial frontier and one of them Wiman, took control of Choson, a Korean state in the north of the peninsula." 1744:

I think that is a good solution, and I am not wedded to the concept of having "Wei Man" as the title of the article, in any case, but I do think that both romanizations should be there. However, the issue that came out during the edit warring, really, is about the romanization of the

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The title of the article, cities, places and people using chinese romanization should be displaced with Korean ones and be kept that way. I don't how they interpreted "Joseon" as "barbarian." Exclusively Korean history as the people who view Wiman as chinese are an obscure minority.

5337:"Historical records reveal a more detailed and clearer picture of the history of the northwest region after Wiman (Ch.: Wei Man), a refugee from the Chinese state of Yan (?–222 B.C.E.), usurped the throne from King Chun of the old Choson kingdom sometime between 194 and 180 B.C.E." 2027:, and that many of men of Chosun occupied high positions. But you don't have to take my word it. Contemporary scholars such as Ki-baik Lee and Bruce Cummings point out that Wiman is likey to have been a man of Chosun rather than Chinese. Interestingly enough, I have yet to find 5310:"Horse and chariot burials from the 2nd century BCE which are earlier than the Chinese commandery of Lelang (called Nangnang in Korean), which was established in 108 BCE, have also been found in the vicinity of Pyongyang and thus would date from the time of Wiman Chosun."" 3517:

The flaw in your analogy is that Kublai Khan lead a Mongolian state to conquer China, and his ethnicity was not a matter of debate. On the other hand, Wiman, whose ethnicity is controversial, was a refugee and a subject to the king of Gojoseon until he usurped power in a

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Keep in mind that Knowledge (XXG) is NOT an encyclopedia of Korean history. You try to push something more than what is deduced from historical sources. In accordance with our NPOV policy, we made room for modern interpretations, but further POV pushing is not tolerated.

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Regardless of whether State of Yan was Chinese or not, or what Wiman's actual ethnicity was, the historical figure in question played a much more prominent role in the context of Korean history, hence I believe it is appropriate to use the Korean name for this person.

4507:"In 195 BCE, the Yan king revolted and went over to the Xiongnu, a steppe nomad people.One of his lieutenants, Wiman (Chinese: Weiman), is recorded in the Shiji as having fled with 1,000 followers to Chosŏn, where the ruler Chun appointed him a frontier commander." 743:

Chosn declined, and refugee populations migrated eastward. Out of this milieu, emerged Wiman, a man who assumed the kingship of Chosn sometime between 194 and 180 B.C. The Kingdom of Wiman Chosn melded Chinese influence, and under the Old Chosn federated structure

5026:"According to the Wei Ji, groups of ethnic Chinese were already living in Korea when Wiman, a general from a nearby Chinese state, "adopt the mallet shaped hairdo and dress of the eastern barbarians", and fled into the peninsula with about a thousand followers." 4807:"These tombs are associated with the Lelang commandery, which was established by the Han dynasty of China, successor to the Qin. Han generals conquered the armies of Wiman's grandson Ugo and established control over the northern part of the Korean peninsula." 631:), is a part of korean history. not even chinese nationalist historians claim joseon to be a part of chinese history. this page is linked to from various korean articles, & only one china-related article (and that's only in that article's reference to old 3135:

I want make sure that these single-purpose accounts understand that we are not debating Wiman's ethnicity (although there is more evidence of him being of man of Joseon but that is neither here nor there) but whether the current title is appropriate or not.

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A refugee named Wiman founded ... Wiman Choseon. Not only did he keep the Choseon name, he also adopted Choseon customs and culture, in a sense reviving the fallen kingdom. Wiman Choseon exerted a fair amount of power in Asia, but fell in 108 BCE to China.

1694:. This guy came from an area corresponding to modern-day China, but became notable in an area corresponding to modern-day Korea, and so I feel it would make more sense to put the Korean name as the title. Hulbert makes a very similar argument at p21 of 656:

yes please remember that. "wei man" is the chinese romanization; please explain why you believe that the chinese romanization is NPOV, but the korean romanization is POV. please note what articles link to this article. please note that nobody considers

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Page has been listed for almost three weeks without a consensus being established, and has already been relisted once, and another relist would have the discussion lasting about a month, without the likelihood of producing a clear consensus. Per

3091:: From the continuing debate, it appears that I know nothing about the subject, the article is wholly inadequate as it omits the importance of the subject to Yan, and that I am unqualified to !vote on the discussion. I am tagging the article 5253:"His descendants governed the people until Kija, a wise Chinese philosopher came to the country. Later in 193 B.C. King Kijun was overthrown by his subject Wiman, a refugee from China, and fled to the southern part of the Korean peninsula." 1812:) and was adopted in national history textbooks of South Korean education. All this stuff belongs to modern history, not ancient history. We should not exclude it because it is against our NPOV policy. But it should be carefully separated. 1860:

to put a stop to the copy-pasting there. There should be no prejudice towards opening a new proposal if any of the three editors attempting to move the page so desired. If there are any questions/clarification needed, feel free to ask me.

934:— Wiman or Wei Man was a king of Gojoseon at about 195 BCE, which is ancient Korean kingdom. Wiman is Korean pronunciation, and Wei Man is Chinese pronunciation. So, the pronunciation of the king must follow the pronunication of Korean. -- 4903:"The Han established 'four commanderies' (Chin. sijun, Kor. sagun) in the conquered territories of Wiman Chosŏn, The commanderies were named Lelang (Kor. Nangnang), Zhenfan (Kor. Chinbon), Lintun (Kor. Imdun), and Xuantu (Kor. Hyéna'o)." 3172:

historic events occurred in China is far more than that of Korea. In other words, the relative importance of the historical man is smaller in China than Korea. And the same is true of all other events shared by China and Korea. We must

4189:"One of Lu Wan's generals, Wei Man (K, Wiman), defected from Yan, led his forces to Korea where he defeated Ko-Choson, ousted king Chun (who may have fled south), and established his own state with his capital at Wanggom (P'yongyang)." 4774:"The only deduction we can make is that practical knowledge of Chinese and the Chinese script in Korea dates back to 194 B.C., when Wiman, from Yen in China, founded a primitive Korean state in the northwestern part of the peninsula." 537: 319: 964:

but you have only done step 1 (adding the request to the list on the page) . I did step 2 (adding the move template to this talk page) and 3 (creating a place for discussion). Until the discussion ends, the page shall not be moved.

1503:? (And I should note that this user has a history of making derogatory remarks toward the Chinese -- including self-evidence repeated intentional decapitalizations above; I think that pretty much discredits his/her arguments.) -- 521: 315: 3808: 3765: 5371:"During this turbulent period refugee populations migrated eastward, and among them a leader by the name of Wiman emerged, who succeeded in driving King Chun of Old Choson from his throne (sometime between 194 and 180 B.C.)" 5340:"Wiman Choson fell in 108 B.C.E. to the Chinese Han dynasty (194 B.C.E.– 220 C.E.), which subsequently set up commanderies, including lelang commandery (Kor.: Nangnang, 108 B.C.E.–313 C.E.) in the former Choson territory." 3796: 3753: 1269:(as opposed to a question of whether his state was Chinese in nature, which is much more questionable) and therefore the Chinese history category is appropriate; however, he should perhaps be placed into the subcategory 803:

For Gojoseon, you Koreans set up a grand fantasy, but the understanding outside Korea is completely different. I have no time for detailed discussion. In short, we assume the pre-Man situation as depicted in the Shiji:

5068:"One of Lu Guan's generals, Wiman, escaped with one thousand of his followers to northeastern Korea and became a ruler there in about 194 B.C.E. Wiman's Choson was eventually overthrown by the Han empire in 108 B.C.E." 1384:

I fail to see how this refutes any of my points. Just because something is Korean history doesn't mean that it's not also Chinese history (or vice versa). Note this has nothing to do with the categorization of Wei's

5448:"Ancient Korean history is comprised of the following states, Former Choson, Later Choson, Wiman Choson, the Four Commanderies, the Three Han states, Silla, Koguryo, Later Koguryo, Paekche, Later Paekche, and Parhae." 833:: "English-language sources should be given whenever possible, and should always be used in preference to foreign-language sources, so that readers can easily verify that the source material has been used correctly." 4777:"Subsequently, the establishment by China's Han dynasty of their four commanderies on the soil of Wiman' s Ancient Choson in 108 B.C. must have familiarized the resident Koreans with Chinese and the Chinese script." 4697:"According to the Shijing (Book of Odes), after Yan was defeated by the Jin state in 221 BC, Weiman, a former Yan officer, invaded KoChosun and founded a principality with its capital near P'yongyang around 194 BC." 3021: 3371: 2211: 1358:

mean you hold dominion over them, especially when there is more proof of Wiman being ethnically a man of Joseon. Of course, we'll then have examine how "Chinese" the people of Yen were before their subjugation.

4295:"Wiman, a general from the state of Yan, one of the last states to submit to the control of the Han Dynasty in China, left for Korea where he receives a new position assisting King Jun, the ruler of Gojoseon." 3392:

So KOrsentry is saying we should give korean monarchs special treatment, and the baekje and silla rulers in question are definetly ethnic korean, you cannot prove wei man was korean and give "koreans" special

4480:"Retaliation by the Han then brought in refugees from Yan, the most notable of whom was a war lord, Weiman ('Wiman'in Korean), who somewhere about 200 BC led his followers into the territory held by Choson." 3192:

the entire China being "Chinese". There are 56 ethnic groups in China, we don't know if this Wiman was Han Chinese, there are strong evidence that he was wearing Chosun style of clothing from the records. --

827:: "If you are talking about a person, country, town, movie or book, use the most commonly used English version of the name for the article, as you would find it in other encyclopedias and reference works." 3566:

this vote is entirely two sided, its being stacked with either chinese or korean voters voting against each other. someone should request someone for comment, like the admin who closed this to ensure no

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i've got news for you, kuebie, modern korean vocab currently has numerous loanwords from chinese, and wiman is one of them. if you want to relfect the accurate pronounciation of his time, go look up his

5237:"On the other hand, the “refugee” who came to Choson shortly after 200 b.c. is called by his Korean name, Wiman, rather than the Chinese form, Wei-man, because he became a part of the Korean community." 1701:. However, I still think the Chinese romanisation should remain in place, if nothing else for the reason that he came from a Chinese-speaking area and it provides additional information for the reader. 4027:"For instance, Wiman, a refugee from the Yan dynasty, which then existed around present-day Beijing, led his band of more than 1,000 followers into exile in Old Chosŏn in the early second century bc." 1882:— This article has been a subject of repeated cut-and-paste move. As there was a page move edit war in the past, I'm requesting discussion for page move instead of hist-merge request. Please also see 5421:"We know that this state, at whatever period it actually originated, was conquered in 195 BC by a figure called Wiman who established a new dynasty while continuing the use of the name of the state." 686:

Knowledge (XXG), where people with various backgrounds gather to make a new encyclopedia. If you disagree with the relativistic approach, why not create your own Korea-pedia and put your work there?

4918:"This was the beginning of Wiman Joseon. Some view Wiman Joseon as a colonial dynasty of China because of the origin of Wiman, but it is accepted theory to include Wiman Joseon as part of Gojoseon." 1329:

Another reason why he's a part of Chinese history is because, well, he was discussed at length in Chinese historical accounts (which, as you must realize, Korean historians have to rely on as well).

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As long as we concentrate on analyzing primary sources, we don't have to care about the application of the boundary of "Korean" to history, Korean nationalism or anything related to modern Korea.

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In some previous revisions, I wrote without much care, "Wei Man was a Chinese general..." Now Ksyrie restored this sentence, but are there any sources explicitly stating that he was a general? --

5601: 5596: 4945:"Wiman (衛滿), a leader of Yan, chased King Jun (準王) of Gojoseon out of the throne in 194 BC. This is the so-called Wissi Joseon (衛氏朝鮮), the first state of ancient Korea historically verifiable." 5606: 5494: 5473: 2411:

Wiman of Gojoseon is more sensible title because he was monarch of ancient Korean state, therefore regardless of where was from, he should be remembered as one of the ancient Korean monarch.--

3802: 3759: 1749:, for crying out loud. I think that the solution, again, is to have both romanizations. I do also believe strongly that the article should be categorized in the appropriate subcategory of 3069:

As it appears the subject was a non-entity in China and was instrumental to Korean history, it may be more appropriate to move the article to the Anglicised name by which he was best known.

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because they are hopelessly erroneous. Correcting all his errors requires much more human resource than rewritting the article from scratch. So I just point out his first several errors:

4403:"This interpretation of Wiman as the Leader of a Yan refugee group who became a Choson ruler is generally accepted as the starting point of Korean state formation in historical times." 2366: 2137:

The so-called progenitor of the Jurchen Jin dynasty was from Goryeo (but I know how much you guys hate that). Like it was said above, such arguments are weak. Thank you, come again.

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Yan state is not normally considered as Chinese culture, also Wiman's ethnicity is known to Gojosoen origin and this is even debated today. --Korsentry 04:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

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Unless wikipedia supports drastic deviation from the concensus, remove the Chinese History category and everything that relates to it. We use references, not "interpret" them.

283: 4243:"Wei Man (K. Wi Man), a man from the state of Yan who made himself king of Chaoxian (Choson) when Qin conquered Yan, by leading refugees from Yan and Qi into Northern Korea." 4081:"Immediately after destroying Wiman Chosŏn, the Han empire established administrative units to rule large territories in the northern Korean peninsula and southern Manchuria." 396: 353: 5576: 1808:

But Yi Pyeongdo claimed "barbarian cloth" had been Korean cloth and that Wei Man had been of Korean descent. This re-interpretation suited the nationalist view of history (

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Whether the page should use Chinese or Korean romanization or both; whether such wording as "barbarian" should be disavowed; and whether this article should be placed in

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i checked the article, the person in question came from the state of yan, so he is chinese and therefore i don't find anything wrong with a chinese name for the article

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to be a part of chinese history; it is considered a part of korean history in various english reference works. please do not push your pov without explanation. thanks.

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In the first paragraph, it says: "Wi Man (...) established a kingdom in northwestern Korea in the 2nd century BC." The fact is Wi Man kicked off the previous king

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So what should we do? I think Man has similar nature to Lelang, Daifang, Gongsun Du, Kang and Yuan, the Chinese stuffs that had to do with the Korean peninsula.

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the state of yan was a feudal domain of the zhou dynsaty and his king swore alliegeance to the chinese king, well have to examine "how korean" they were then...

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The article titles for monarchs should use the format Name (the Great) of Kingdom. For example: Seondeok of Silla; Sejong the Great of Joseon; Gojong of Korea.

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he cane from an independent state leaving asthe New Chinese Empire asserted control. To try to put this in a modern emigration category seems a bit much.

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Generally, article naming should prefer what the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity

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The naming convention of Korean history must follow Korean pronunication. Even though Wiman came from China, he became a king of Beonjoseon. Thus,

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He did not established a kingdom in 195 BC. What happened in 195 BC was an attack by Gaozu to Lu Wan. It's not clear when he came to the crown.

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Wiman is the most used variation of this name in academia. Weiman should be included in the information box but this article should be moved.

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The state of yan was a chinese state, originating from the CHINESE zhou dynasty. end of story. Ki-baik Lee is also a korean. end of story

4430:"Weiman (Korean Wiman) of the northeastern Chinese state of Yan took over the northern part of the peninsula circa the third century CE." 3625:

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would be "Wiman of Gojoseon." but i'd like to hear more about this larger consistency issue with the personal/temple/posthumous names.

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Thats not what you tried to argue earlier, you removed "chinese" from before state of yan. your trying to claims its a korean state.

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My Google language setting is the default English. I'm not logged into a Google account. Your links send me to Google Japan actually.

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Your links return the same numbers as my results above. Your Google Search language settings is Korean. (I tried and confirmed).

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that had set up a colonial regime in Korea. Where they pulled this from I have no idea. The bare facts we have is that he was a

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Kyushu has never been a part of Korea. The Korean peninsula, on the other hand, had been a part of Japan between 1910 and 1945.

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let's keep personal opinions out of this & stick to verifiable npov citations. not to say we should rely on google hits for

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If there is some reason I have overlooked why this should be an exception to that convention, please let me know. Regards,--

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State of Yan never was Chinese state, and we don't even have his real enthicity. --Korsentry 22:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

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The existence of King Zhun is suspicious because The Records of the Grand Historian of the same age never referrs to him.

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never uses the term Gojoseon. Nor we can assume that what Hairwizard91 means by Gojoseon is put in parallel with Zhenfan.

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We are dealing with Korean monarch here, therefore title should be in Korean. --Korsentry 23:35, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

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4534:"In 194 BC Old Chosön became Wiman Chosön when it was overthrown by the leader of a group of Chinese refugees, Wiman." 3004: 1708: 616:

What's wrong with "Chinese direct rule over peninsula?" I don't say "Chinese direct rule over the whole peninsula". --

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I included it per your suggestion, but "Weiman" seems like a common given/surname name in German speaking world and

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better to translate it to the Chinese version at first , and then the Korean version. Or doe it matter in anyway

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When searching for Wei Man, even though people confine it with "", the result also shows above items altogether.

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All we can use is a handful of sentences(!) written in Classical Chinese by ancient Chinese officials/scholars.

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whatever your speculation of weiman's ethnicity, there is no doubt that he, as the king of a korean kingdom (

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means your edits are significantly low and new except this edit on vote here. Do not tough others' edit.--

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Wiman established the state of Chosn (or Wiman Chosn) which was highly Sinified but not a Chinese colony.

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Not under standard English grammar. "Wiman of Gojoseon" refers to the person, not the kingdom. Compare

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In those days, Many Koreans lived in Liadong peninsula. Donghu peoples lived in the Liaoxi(遼西) plain. --

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the content. It's disconcerting to see the editors spend their energy on edit warring over wording and

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and was conquered by it. That makes it a part of Chinese history, just as, for example, the fact that

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rather than improving/expanding this article, as this article plainly deserves improvement in content.

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is Korean kingdom and Korean history though Weiman came from China. Thus, This page should be moved to

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separation of what is directly deduced from historical sources and the narrative of national history.

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Marco Polo wrote a book about China, I don't see the Italians rushing to claim Mongolian heritage.

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The reason that it is a part of Chinese history is that the kingdom he founded warred with China's

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can remain in the same page. Because Wei Man is chinese, and Wiman of Gojoseon is Korean history--

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too which is the ancestor of the Mandarin language used for this title name. Its like changing

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never claims that Wangxian corresponds to Xiandu Prefecture. It appears in a commentary on the

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in this discussion defaults to the page not being moved since it has been stable since 2012.

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dynasty in Korean pronunciation, and the same rule must be applied to Wei Man Joseon. Thus,

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Only North Koreans and some South Koreans support that his kingdom was located in Liaoning.

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Regardless of the resolution of the above two issues, it is clear that Wei Man is part of

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due to impact on Chinese history, if nothing else -- and in this case, it belongs in

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said, Bohai and Man stuffs parallel each other. I guess you are unable to rebut. --

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Pre-Modern East Asia: A Cultural, Social, and Political History, Volume I: To 1800

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optimized for readers over editors, and for a general audience over specialists

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aware that anybody who violates 3RR or the spirit thereof will be blocked. --

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searching "Chosŏn", "Chosun", "Chaoxian", "Gojoseon", and "Kochosŏn" as well.

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Introduce primary sources first. Then explain major interpretations for them.

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You should also probabaly include hits for "Weiman" without a space (e.g.,

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during then are as much a part of Japanese history as of Korean history. --

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You only talked about the former and started an all-or-nothing revert war.

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I've been always puzzled by the title. Please refer to my comment above.

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Though, He lived as Yan, He settle down in Korea(Gojoseon) after all. --

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moves until rationale is given. The original title of the article was

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is a redirect. What exactly is the argument in favor of "Wei Man"? --

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has categroized the war between Han of China and Wiman Joseon into the

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Even though Wei Man came from China, Wiman Joseon is Korean history.--

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Yan state is Chinese Empire as the Qin state what attackted into it.

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the first Korean ruler recorded in contemporaneous records is Wiman

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Again, please discuss rather than edit warring without comment. --

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Weiman, David Weiman, Bertha Weiman Fox, Liang Weiman, Earl Weiman

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Sensible perhaps, but contemporary scholars like to differenciate

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no proof that he is korean, and please show a source. Koreans did

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of civility. It does not add to the force of your arguments. --

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So you gave up contending for the second point? If so, I'm glad.

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says (蠻夷). A reasonable inference is that "barbarian cloth" was

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What do you mean "completing"??? The pages are not changed. --

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Both the Korean and the Chinese romanizations should be used.

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by Homer B. Hulbert and Clarence Norwood Weems, Routledge:

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How does this address whether he is a part of Chinese

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You're correct. Doctor, Chang Wei-man, linguist usage

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Translating 蠻夷 as Eastern Babarian is not accurate.

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