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But the real point is the "Place" of his at least most famous "HOLD!" By the very words used to describe this man, as you have done above this site, has called this personage as "William II of VILLEHARDOUIN!" Which means, at the least, that he was origianally from or used the name of this town to
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Otherwise, one would seem to recognize that his very name as you and most other historical versions present him,. are far and away rempoved from reality. That is this man or this series of men, is not given the period or place of timne wherin he was "Present" or even in control!
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I altered the final sentence, which said that French was his 'native' language, because neither this article nor that on his father explains how this fact would be known. If someone knows what language he learned 'at his mother's knee', please revert!
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But, perhaps all of the above is mere "mush", and the name "Villhardouin", which automatically means nothi8ng more than the name of a place or posiotion on an new mapl as being the name of a town called "HARDOUIN!", or thus the "town of Hardouin!:"
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sorry, I have not received your email. I am thinking of withdrawing the nomination and complete the article after I seized Geanakoplos's work. It seems to be a book of high quantity and its subjects is within my area of interest.
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Longnon appears to be relying on the 'traditional' narrative according to Hopf. I recommend relying only on Setton. I am in the process of correcting/updating the main article accordingly, including Loenertz as a
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not quite accurate, as it implies all of Anatolia, which they definitely did not; and most of the Byzantine territories were not conquered by the Franks either way. I would suggest just leaving it out.
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Thank you for the thorough review and also for your suggestion. I am on holiday now, so I have no access to my library. I can start addressing the issues you raised above in the weekend.
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Very true. I should have added "paternal language", which is factualy correct, since I do not remember any info for Geoffrey I's wife. The way that you edited it, is also fine with me.--
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have rephrased this slightly, but for the benefit of our readers, I would suggest a more precise phrasing: 'emerged in western Greece and western Anatolia respectively' or similar.
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his advantage, that we must admit that "William II". at the least, and as the "most" via current histiorical research tends to force the above man into a narror position.
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Per above, 'triarchs' is an English word and does not need italics. But for consistency I recommend using 'triarch' and 'triarchy' throughout, or the Italian terms.
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Since there exists a main article for the topic, much of the information in the second paragraph is redundant or can be summarized.
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I assume the Battle of Karydi is meant here? Karydi is not near Thebes though, but a mountain north of Megara, close to
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The date of the capture of Monemvasia is disputed. I suggest consulting Guillaume Saint-Guillain,
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Can anyone place the city/cit/cit, etc., to any modern place in France or N. Europe, etc.?
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Again, for this section at least I would expect to see Geanakoplos used. Lognon as well.
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That's it for now, will do another read-through when the above points are dealt with.
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William not only swore fealty to Michael VIII, but also received the high title of
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emerged on the western and eastern borderlands of the Byzantine Empire respectively
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I would prefer the present wording. Epirus included Albanian territories as well.
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Was "William" a part of the Roman Church? Was he a member of a famous society?
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Yes, it is clearly not a Hebrew word. I wanted to indicate its Greek origin.
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I used the email user function, possibly the email is outdated. Please
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this does not really belong in this section, and requires a reference.
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You guys must be kidding us? You actually have as the last sentence;
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But it seems that no one has any vested interest in this personage!
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I'm not sure what you're saying, but Villehardouin is now part of
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William was also noted as a trouvère ("poet/composer"), and the
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I am sorry but I did not formally enter my words here! Domage!
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at the time (August 25, 2022). There are suggestions on
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Just upon what source(s) do you place this remark?
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