1395:(codenamed Apollo), a second generation of the Windows Phone operating system for release later in 2012. Windows Phone 8 replaces its previously Windows CE-based architecture with one based on the Windows NT kernel (with many components shared with Windows 8), allowing developers to easily port applications between the two platforms." I do not believe that the kernel has anything to do with apps. In Windows Phone, all apps run on a high level framework with managed code. The move to the NT kernel was a part of the final objective of Microsoft to unify the Windows and Windows Phone operating systems completely. A CE based Windows Phone could also share framework components with Windows 8 and allow porting of apps. A simple removal of parentheses around "with many components shared with Windows 8" fixes the problem because it will mean that Windows Phone 8 and not the kernel shares the components. Additionally, line 1 of this section calls Windows Phone 8 the second generation, while the first line of the article refers to it as the third. I have edited the section appropriately, and anyone is free to revert. Please be sure to give an argument here, though. I have one more problem with this entire section. It
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Windows, things are very transparent. Windows Vista is Windows NT 6.0, Windows 7, the clearly next version, is Windows NT 6.1, Windows 8 is Windows NT 6.2, and Windows 8.1 is Windows NT 6.3. The pattern shows that Microsoft has granted Windows 8.1 the status of a separate version of Windows. I believe your views about Windows Phone 8.1 being a huger update than Windows 8.1 are fallacious, EndlessCoffee54. We do not take into consideration the number of features already present. The number of new features is not expressed as a percentage of existing ones, but taken in absolute numbers, in which case, Windows 8.1's clearly outweigh Windows Phone 8.1's. I'll mention some of them if needed. Please check out my list of Windows Phone 7.1 features in the Windows Phone 8.1 talk page.
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Windows Phone Store, redesigned calendar app, support for separate volume controls, swipe down to close app, sterescopic 3D, full DLNA, ability to connect WP to a monitor, universal search, on screen buttons, file system, and even more, make this an entirely new operating system. There are more feature additions here than iOS7 and Windows 8.1 (which has its own article). Also, cramming all the information from the WP8.1 article (which already has nearly 20kB of information as of 4-4-14) into the WP8 article would make it unwieldy and hard to navigate through. Microsoft has also publicly called WP8.1 "the next version of Windows Phone" in many press releases and leaks.
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786:. As a subpage of the original WP article, the resolution to that argument applies here as well. I will make it clear to you that Knowledge (XXG) is not a dumping ground for Windows Phone haters. If you hate WP, go sound off in some forum. No other OS article has a list of missing features (to quote the other page, it's like creating a list of ways in which a Camry is not a good dump truck). And on what standard do you define "Missing Features"? That's purely subjective--there is no set standard for any OS. Would you list "Live Tiles" under the missing features of the Android page? You are therefore in direct violation of
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Windows Phone as a whole (the stuff on Windows Phone 7.5 was just added to that article). When WP8 was released, I made a new page for WP7 and WP8, and converted the original Windows Phone page to talk about the OS family as a whole. I neglected to make a page for WP7.5 (and in retrospect, I should have done this). But that is a different discussion, we are discussing WP8.1 here. We also need to follow precedent: multiple point-release versions of
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