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the building that houses it. And the Winter Garden's past history has no bearing on what it is in 2007, which is a legitimate theatre, and describing it as such is accurate. And I will delete information that's not related to the article's subject matter - that's an editor's responsibility. Should an
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Theatre) but I urge against merging these two sections; they only share a name, but are two entirely different theatres, separated in time by over sixty years, and by location by one third of Manhattan. The history of
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Theatre reference other venues with the same name simply because they had the same name. Had they shared the same site or ownership, then the reference would be appropriate.
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