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To some extent, all of these terms are used as marketing terms. Each term seems to be promoted by its own collective of dubious online schools which promise quick and high paying jobs after paying for their classes. All of these names get significant numbers of Google hits. I do not know which term
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interests might be supported and the term that is most internationally respected might be de-emphasized. I regret to say that I cannot make a good judgement about what the best term is. Here are some names that I see used -
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