Talk:The Murders in the Rue Morgue/Archive 1

1112:") and what he said is "Here at once Poe's methods dffer from those of his many imitators. They would have led the reader for a time into a belief that the bank clerk, M. Le Bon, who brought the gold to the address in the Rue Morgue, had murdered the women for their money". Not sure if it makes a difference, but he seems to talks about imitators in a pejorative way, indicating that not having M. Le Bon as a red herring was a good thing, while this is not evident from the current version of the article. Oh, and when I talked about the strong point I was talking about unpredictability itself, regardless of the other problem (the lack of clues), but it doesn't really matter since my opinion is not a source. -- 1064:" Source 24 is "Rosenheim 1997, p. 68", but I don't have it so I can't check. Does source 24 only refer to the last line of the paragraph, or to both lines? In the first case, the first line is POV, and even in the second case that opinion should be attributed to Rosenheim rather then being presented as a universal truth. Even the second line, about the supposed "bad faith" of Poe, should be attributed to him. By the way, both lines are confusing: why would an "implicit narrative convention" invented almost a century later would be retroactively valid for the first detective story? And isn't the fact that readers can't easily guess the identity of the murderer a strong point rather than a weak point? -- 1108:" to indicate that he didn't follow a rule that didn't even exist yet. It is another thing to write something like, say, "This story, like Poe's two other Dupin stories, is not meant to be a game between writer and reader, as the latter is not provided with all the clues that Dupin has. Later writer would extablish a convention that readers should be able to guess the solution as they read". By the way, do you know what are the exacts words used by Rosenheim in the cited source? Another thing: I checked Quinn's source for another part of the article (" 559:

essays written just about what books Poe has read - long, long inventories of any book he ever directly mentioned in a review, in a short story, in an epigraph... Has this source done the research to determine if Poe actually read Hoffman? As he was not a Poe scholar, you may see my concern. As an attempt at reaching out, I have brought out my library of Poe books, including ones that focus specifically on his detective fiction, and will start pouring through them to see if they can corroborate this claim.

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established over time. As such, I think the comparison between the first modern detective story and what readers now consider established convention is valid, all the same. No, the lack of guessing ability is not a strong point in part because of the next sentence (it is unreasonable) but also specifically because that's not convention; typically, the murderer or what-have-you is required to be introduced within the first third of the narrative or something like that. --

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Also section). How might this be remedied? I know there are difficulties with trivia and pop culture sections (let alone the arbitrary definitions of these vague terms - was not Poe pop culture when he was alive, and considered much less in the half century after his death?) but leaving this information out serves to limit a reader's understanding of how far-reaching Poe's influence continues to be. Great work Midnightdreary on this and other articles. ~~

31: 457:, which clearly says the word "often" is a weasel word. Again, as I said in the edit summary, there are two sources that say that this story is considered the first detective story (both are footnoted); neither use the term "often". To suggest that the two sources say "often" is inaccurate and misrepresents the sources. I hope this is helpful. -- 961:, that the real solution is to a mystery that has probably passed the reader quite by: namely, that Dupin and the unnamed narrator are in fact male lovers. The argument seems bizarre at first, but Robb picks the narrative apart, taking each literary reference back to its textual origin, and hardly a one does not treat in some way of 1094:

Indeed, "According to Rosenheim" or "Rosenheim notes/observes/argues/points out/says/think/writes that..." would be a good compromise. My "almost a century later" was a random figure, but it's a matter of fact that none of Poe's three detective stories uses that convention, and the same thing is true

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In order to increase my enjoyment of my readings of Poe, I enjoy knowing how his stories and poems have influenced other artists and musicians and creative types. To find Iron Maiden's piece I would not know to go to a wikipedia page titled 'Edgar Allan Poe and music' (unless it is linked in the See

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The information on Hoffman could very well be legitimate, but we have to examine a bit: First, is it considered the first detective story? Fine, that's great. But, more importantly, was it an influence on Poe? As the source is not a Poe scholar, I have to take it with a grain of salt. There have been

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It is not my POV. I gave the reference (Booker) which includes the whole discussion about priority and direct influence. Booker wasn't pretending to make an original claim. And the edit simply alerts the reader to earlier claimants to the title. Read any book on Poe for confirmation of the influence

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It would be nice to see a a source that directly connects Hoffman's influence to Poe. I have never seen the claim (not to say it isn't possible). Unless several scholars make the link, it does not represent an academic consensus to say that Poe was influenced by Hoffman. Putting forward a claim that

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I am fairly certain that the story has been translated into a lot of languages, but only the French one is mentioned in the article. The Japanese wiki article has a long list of Japanese translations, beginning in 1913. If reliable sources can be found, such history of various translations will make

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culture such as it was in Poe's day. Even the discovery of the culprit as being anthropoid in shape and capabilities, but not in fact a man at all, is artfully construed by Robb as being indicative of the detective's and his companion's un-masculinity. Robb is actually himself heterosexual (though

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Hello to anyone who watches this page! I'm interested in bringing this article up to Good Article status if anyone wants to help out. This isn't necessarily one of my favorite stories, but it's literary importance almost demands that its Knowledge (XXG) article be at Good status. Anyone willing to

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is from 1928, and Knox's ten rules were published in 1929: Poe's first Dupin story is from 1841, and so it predates them by almost a century. I agree with you when you say that "I think the comparison between the first modern detective story and what readers now consider established convention is

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Sounds like an easy fix: "According to..." But I do think Rosenheim speaks on how it has been read by modern audiences more generally, beyond his personal opinion. Yes, both lines are from that same source. I'm not sure how a convention is suddenly invented "almost a century later"; I think it is

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Reception says that modern readers are "put off" by the story because they wouldn't expect an orangutan, but isn't that the point of the story? The narrator talks about using one's imagination... if we're put off, then, like the police inspector, we're "too cunning", and the fault is with us, not

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Thank you so much for joining the discussion! Now we can really move forward with this. Okay, first, this editor did, in fact, add the info to the Hoffman article that Poe was influenced by him; note that it uses the same source. But, anyway, first, about the spellings... this is an article on an

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to see that it has the classic elements. The "often" is accurate, but removed to please you. ("Weasel" is a stupid, thick-fingered policy as it stands. It cannot distinguish between what we all know - and doesn't need proof - and what is unprovable.) A bald statement that "it is the first" simply

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Modern readers are occasionally put off by Poe's violation of an implicit narrative convention: readers should be able to guess the solution as they read. The twist ending, however, is a sign of "bad faith" on Poe's part because readers would not reasonably include an orangutan on their list of

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Poe-focused book that makes a connection between Poe and E. T. A. Hoffman. In other words, though we can acknowledge the existence of a story by Hoffman, we can not confirm or imply that Poe was familiar with it, let alone inspired by it. I have clarified wording in this article to remove any

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Well, I wouldn't make too many assumptions. My concern is that "Rue Morgue" is just the name of a street in Paris; so, just because a work mentions the street doesn't make it relative to this story. And, still, even obvious references don't necessarily add anything to this article

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This is an interesting reading of the story, and I wonder if it's worth representing here. Incidentally, I remember seeing (though I don't recall the source) some analysis that argued the two murdered women were, in fact, lesbians, making their death a potential hate crime.

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footnotes that support "Rue Morgue" as the first detective story (not "often"); two are in the lead, another is further down. Adding "often" implies that these sources use the term; they don't. If we add it, we are being deceptive and/or manipulative of other people's

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Good point. Though not all translations or re-printings are notable, in my future research I'll try to keep an eye out for further information on "Rue Morgue" around the world. I'll also try to pay attention for possible images to add in. Thanks for reviewing!!

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Also, please note that according to wiki-policy and the Manual of Style for the project, an article on an American topic should not use British/Australian spellings (unless a quote, obviously). The anon editor using a shifting IP may also want to reconsider

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does not reflect the disagreement about the matter. I suspect patriotic American "historians of detective fiction" don't read German too well and aren't anxious to find earlier examples. Poe learnt (learned??) to write prose at school in England (like

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Pass: There is only one image, but then perhaps it is the only available image for the article topic. I wonder if there is any old (not necessarily first printing) cover art for the story, but it will probably be under fair use which should be kept at

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from this user because he/she has refused my several previous attempts to start a dialogue. I'm going to try again and lay out my concerns with this anon editor who doesn't seem to like to play with others. The problem with the edits are as follows:

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Look, I'm trying to come to a compromise/understanding here. But there is a certain anonymous editor with a rotating IP that refuses to engage on this talk page. As such, he/she is compromising the integrity of this article, which is recognized with

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seems to indicate the same) even if it's "notable" (and most of these options will be debatable). Anyway, my recommendation is to have a few strong, obvious references written in prose-form (like you suggest) here, and then lead people to the

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says they should not be in mere lists, especially as it's so easy to add junk at the end to make it balloon out of control. It doesn't say delete all of it indiscriminately. Even in the currently disputed section that was added and removed to

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I hope you understand (and are actually reading this). This is how things work at Wiki - we collaborate. We don't force POV, and we don't break established policies (number one on my list, I think, is enough reason to revert). Please tell me

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Err, well, most of these are extremely obvious. It'd be odd to demand sources for things are completely undeniable. Clive Barker's "New Murders in the Rue Morgue" and LXG reference the original story extremely frequently and explicitly. The

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You can have the spellings you feel appropriate. But since you are more familiar with them than I am, it would be better if you "corrected" them. Italics are used for short stories very often - I am looking at a book now which uses them for

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implication of a connection. It is worth considering also that we are talking about a "detective story" not a "mystery" - and they are two very different genres. I wonder if Hoffman is writing "mystery" and not a "detective story"? --

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concede that you are breaking policy by using British spelling on an American article. Are you familiar with policy? I can't assume anything because you do not have an account and I can't confirm your edit history with a rotating IP.

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So the whole list of references in popular culture (or whatever it was called) was removed. Sure enough, within a couple hours someone started adding similar material. I'm wondering if we should discuss this stuff officially.

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Also, in Ray Bardbury's Martian chronicals, the story "usher II" is about multiple poe Murder stories being reinacted on people who burned books as subversive material, and a woman is stuffed into a fireplace by an "ape".

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As for myself, I'm not actually convinced (though it makes very interesting reading). I think what the analysis shows is that the devices in the narrative all indicate a murderer who is not a man, a non-human culprit.

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In fact look back at the history of the Hoffmann article!! His influence on Poe was there long before I added a source about the story. The story is set in France (like Hoffmann's story). Why not use French spelling??

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Manual of Style problems - You can not change the spelling to British style spellings on an American subject article. Words like "neighbour" should not exist in this article. This is non-negotiable; it is

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for most of the works of the 19th century, including a good amount of Doyle's Sherlock Holmes stories. True, the convention was established over time, but I think it was not truly codified until the

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the whole story of "The Murders in the Rue Morgue"? Or is it just a trivial pop culture reference trying to sound cool by capitalizing on Poe, "murders" and "morgue"? This sounds like an entry for

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Poe scholar Arthur Hobson Quinn speculates that later detective stories might have set up M. Le Bon, the suspect who is arrested, as appearing guilty as a red herring, though Poe chose not to

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If you check around to my other edits, I am pretty aggressive at removing mere trivia that's not notable. At least some of the examples that were removed here I think are fairly notable.

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Someone keeps changing "G--" to "God." This is NOT a reference to God, but a reference to the prefect's name, which is unrevealed beyond its first letter. Please, do not change again. --

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magazine should be pretty obvious too. These aren't OR in the sense that no "research" is actually involved It's not a question of reading through the lines, as it's in your face.

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I don't understand. "But the point is..." Whose point? From 11 years ago? What does the definition of a French word have to do with pop culture references to this story? What

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This is one of the few articles that actually needs an expanded plot summary (most are way too long). Anyway, if anyone wants to give it a go, that would be great.

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I have now combed through eleven books on Poe, including two that specialize on Poe's detective stories, as well as several essays and papers. I have yet to find

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exist there unless it goes into further detail in the body of the article. Instead, this editor is trying to add to the lead without any intention of expanding.

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street in Paris, invented by Poe. Its name in English suggests a mortuary; but in French, it more typically means haughty or lordly in manner and temperament.

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My concern is that "Rue Morgue" is just the name of a street in Paris; so, just because a work mentions the street doesn't make it relative to this story.

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articles. My other guess is that no one else will respond to this query but, even so, we should give a few days before making our consensus. :) --

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it wouldn't say all these needed to go. We should prioritize though. The magazine with the same names seems particularly notable. Thoughts?

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This is the section about Allusions/references from other works... it was removed as irrelevant, unless anyone wants to make a case for it.

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as well. Especially on an article with such a high importance rating (not to mention one at GA status), we have to be careful. --

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includes the lyrics "Don't put on any airs when you're down on Rue Morgue Avenue," which may be a reference to this story.

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will have been through the Iron Maiden song which features them in its title. Does that meet the definition of notable?

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and it's not just a coincidence. I agree with full sentences though. The more info we have on context, the better. --

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published source which makes the connection. Failure to do so makes the inclusion of such information a violation of

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Adding the term "often" to the claim that "Rue Morgue" is considered the first detective story is, for one thing,

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What about the Iron Maiden song called: "Murders in the Rue Morgue" please add it to the adaptations. Thank You

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status. I don't mean to be idiosyncratic, I'm just pointing out policy and manual of style things that we simply

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Actually, the usage of italics on short story titles is quite rare and usually is only when the story borders on

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Minor addendum: I wasn't the one that removed the original list of cultural references. Just to be clear. :) --

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rules of novel-writing, the literary genre of which her novel is generally considered the first example.

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does this particular piece of information have merit? would the article be improved by its inclusion?

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And yes, from 11 (or, as it is now, 13) years ago; because some of us are like dogs with a bone.

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valid, all the same". However, it could be done in a better way. It is one thing to write that "

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status has been promoted. This is how the article, as of January 2, 2008, compares against the

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Other problems with your current edit: using the term "strong claim" is most certainly not

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isn't the only piece of literature that references "Rue Morgue." Anyway, thoughts? --

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before), and so can't be pulled up for any perceived gay ideological "log-rolling".

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use American spelling. I don't argue policy, I just follow it as best I know how. --

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contains the lyrics "I'll be the murder on the Rue Morgue you're trying to solve".

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contained a character who believed himself to be a reincarnation of the orangutan.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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In his exploration of medical, cultural and literary tropes, Graham Robb's

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Poe/the narrator. Maybe Rosenheim is off in his assessment? Just sayin'.

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Fine, I concede that Hoffman had the Poe influence before you. But I will

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at the top of this article was moved into a "See also" section. I changed

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and, for another, incorrect based on the footnotes. There are, in fact,

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These types of sections are tough. More than notability, I'd question

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Poe's story was used, with Conan Doyle's detective supplanting Dupin:

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Well, the only way that you can include it here is if you can find a

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to redirect to the magazine because that seemed to make more sense.

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If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to

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The twist ending, however, is a sign of "bad faith" on Poe's part

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inspired by Poe's story. The song appears on their second album,

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Auguste Dupin sees history repeating itself in the pages of the

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a nice informative addition to this article, in my view. --

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for killing off her title character in the middle of the

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GA reviewer, feel free to leave comments here. Thanks! --

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street, a street that Poe invented for inclusion in

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the given song/book/movie/video game is referencing

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Strangers: Homosexual Love in the Nineteenth Century

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