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Here is a fun debate! I don't mind either. To me, using "southern rock," no capitalization, looks good in a sentence while the alternative doesn't. But at the same time, Southern rock seems to only refer to the
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The song samples are well chosen to represent three distinct influences on the band's music style; however, while the songs are mentioned in the text, and the music styles the songs represent are mentioned, there isn't a direct correlation between the two, except in the captions to the samples. The
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The image from 1972 is taken from a magazine ad, which was published with no copyright notice. I have little deep experience in copyright, but at the same time, I can think of numerous reasons why a small-sized file of the original and most famous lineup of the band is fair use: two members of that
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I really tend to prefer strict, three-paragraph leads. I understand for tons of articles it can't work, but for something like a band or song or album, I'm really into having a standard three paragraph section. All that said, I think the lead works perfectly as is. It doesn't go too far into detail
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This is a very fine article. I have quibbles over the copyright status of the lead image, and if all the captions are appropriately concise; other than that, the article meets GA criteria. Putting on hold for these minor issues to be addressed. Points for ongoing development are raised above - in
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