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Epstein School. Can someone please explain why so many schools I see are self-sourced to their own website with no mention/citation etc on the page? Nevertheless, I will come back with additional sources on this another day. As for the mascot...I thought that the graphic I will provide would also validate that...no? If not, again, I have other sources on this...not a problem. I'll get back to you.
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