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1024:""and said that, unable to dispute this, climate deniers, "(or sceptics as they are disingenuously described in this book) "" Not only does the "author", and I use that word very liberally, change the actual wording from the the ACTUAL book, but then takes a shit on it because of it's choice of words. Great. So classy wikipedia. I can't edit the article to just delete the ( ) part and change deniers to SCEPTICS, which they are actually describes as in the book!, but someone should. Just another liberal leftist shill page. Got it. 390: 372: 717: 699: 819: 619: 601: 727: 925: 217: 196: 130: 840: 629: 483: 21: 326: 301: 71: 120: 102: 227: 1256:@ Peter, rather than "opponents of mainstream science" I've now noted that McKitrick's "primers" were a starting point for Montford. Indeed, p. 14 says that McKitrick "read the manuscript and provided perceptive reviews". If you want, you can make the case for the other fringe views you suggest, but remember 1158:
False balance, and the weight section was overloaded with an uninformed opinion from a blog, which I've removed as noted below. There are already sources in the article noting that this book promotes climate change denial, and due weight should be given to that in the lead. The skewing of the article
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The first plot is historical, showing the context at the time the book was written, together with the IPCC 1990 figure the book misrepresents and its 1965 source. The second plot compares MBH99 with the 30-year global average of the 2013 reconstruction by the PAGES 2k Consortium, which is pretty much
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requires clarity about which parts of the text describe the minority view, sufficient detail of the majority view, and "controversies regarding aspects of the minority view should be clearly identified and explained." I'm surprised by your enthusiasm for blog sources, perhaps you'd like to include a
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Firstly if you want to call it a "climate change denial blog" then you need sources that describe it as a "climate change denial blog": Knowledge is about verifiability, not truth. And you can't combine sources that describe it as a "global warming sceptic blog" with sources (implicit or explicit)
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says "harmonize coverage in the lead with material in the body of the article". Currently the body contains a "Reception" section which contains roughly equal amounts of praise (the first paragraph) and criticism (the second paragrpah), and the lead should reflect this balance if it refers to the
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It's the wording of Nick Hewitt, who's quoted from his review which says; "Unable to dispute the science, and reality, of climate change, climate deniers (or sceptics as they are disingenuously described in this book) have made sustained attempts to discredit climate scientists and the way they
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the cite for your quote of Ward. The article topic is Mr Montford's book about the hockey stick rather than about whether climate changes, so your unsourced claims about fringes and minorities don't apply. For positive reviews we have more reliable sources and more qualified people.
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that Matt Ridley reviewed "while conceding that he had financial interests in coal mining" which isn't about the book. I suggest that this editing has caused the article's reviews section and lead sentence to become unbalanced.
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a mention of Amazon saying the cite was "another blog" (in this case a Guardian blog), left in a negative review without noting that it's a dead link, left in Bob Ward's review in the Guardian while Andrew Montford's reply
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interview with an eminent scientist who described Montford's book as "an excellent primer"; that at least has mainstream context. As for Ridley's pieces, his self-description as having coal interests relates to his
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that the book "was praised by opponents of mainstream science" without specifying that the two people still mentioned have doctorates related to economics and zoology, or identifying which unmentioned praisers
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up to date. PAGES 2k have published some more papers this year, going into more detail on the same dataset, but don't add anything affecting the comparison figure. . .
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This book was written about 10 years ago. Could someone update the plots in this article, as far as the data they are based on is still being measured?
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that say "global warming scepticism is climate change denial" to conclude that it is a "climate change denial blog": that's a textbook example of
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The review section starts with fringe view proponents, starting with a blog source promoting attacks on mainstream scientists:
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that the book "promotes climate change denial" while citing only the negative reviewers. Dave souza earlier
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On that basis, I've removed this part. The author has demonstrated her lack of expertise on this topic. . .
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Several reviewers have praised the book for its content, writing style and accessibility. Climatologist
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While the last sentence remains the same, the first one now helps to balance the lead, I think. Before
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work." Why are you trying to deny the choice of words of the mainstream publication
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your "opponents of mainstream science" addition and I see that you have now
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