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Russell terrier, a Parson Russell terrier, or a Russell terrierâthe three are distinct classifications but are hard to distinguish for most people, and are generally used interchangeably.)
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footage, all the impossible cartoon physics going on, a viper bigger than an alligator, a gang of animals of all different kinds that are united and plotting vengeance on humankind, and a host of other unrealistic things in this movie and what bothers you is the lack of realism in depicting the vastness of NYC and the time frame in which the plot takes place? No, I don't think that one particular thing bothered most people watching this movie.
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to him being cast in the second film. The USA source only says that he was a fan of the first film, it doesn't say when, or even suggest that it is the reason he was involved in 2. It is possible that it is true but it is stretching what the source actually says.
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