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1020:? I've retargeted some of the redirects to the four articles that you already created.On another note, I notice that some of the titles listed on Category:The Sims 2 expansion packs have categories, despite being redirects to the Sims 2 expansion packs page. For the four expansion packs that have standalone articles, I think we should move the categories on the redirect pages to the standalone articles. For example, the categories on
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