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on some random day saying either "I'll hold a galactic battle and that land can act like the Death Star!", "Let's create some large scale dog fights(not the canine version mind you)!", "Let's go kick turtle shells for a day!", "Let's go destroy some robots!", or "Let's celebrate the day we all went back home!" and create a guild called either SpaceWars, DogFight, ShellKickers, RobotBusters, or YellowRoad. Then get mentioned by the game hosts for having some people in those guilds. Then I'll be allowed to actually advertise my own guild on
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So let me get this straight. Going by your reason, I can personally create my own guild about something like either Star Wars, Star Fox, Super Mario Bros., Mega Man/Rock Man, or The Wizard of Oz on some other online game. Go post in some random forums about how I'm going to create a game wide event
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Thank you! I think that you and I are on the same page here. You have a helpful attitude, and contribute well to Knowledge (XXG). I think that a reference to the availability of this story to modern children would be helpful not only to GuildWars but also to the article in
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