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was his critiquing of films for customers at the video rental store where he clerked ("such a movie buff. He had so much knowledge of films that he would try to get people to watch really cool movies.") In later years, as a director, many of his published interviews have him commenting and critiquing
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Just a logic thought, no dog-in-this-fight. The phrase "Critical response" does not necessarily mean "a response by a paid film critic such as a Siskel or Ebert", it can mean the same as "critique". As to
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For what it's worth, which probably isn't much, I like your approach. I'm going to clean up the Legacy section a bit by streamlining some of the quotes, since it kind of feels like a disorganized collection of plaudits at the moment. I'm also looking back on the Wiki pages for some of the best films
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criticism. Sure, every filmmaker expresses his/her thoughts on others' films, but few filmmakers actually write movie reviews. The few who do/did are people like
Scorsese, Schrader, Bogdanovich, Godard, Truffaut, Rohmer, and, yes, Tarantino. His reviews are housed on the New Beverly Cinema website.
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When you can provide a basis for your claim that a million articles here include commentary from other filmmakers in ther
Reception sections I'll be more inclined to take your opinions more seriously. Until then, I'm having difficulty believing that you're arguing in good faith. I have to admit the
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I'd like to point out that there's an entire section of the New
Beverly Cinema website that's dedicated to Tarantino's reviews of various films. Regardless, Tarantino is a filmmaker, and filmmakers routinely critique others' works. When a filmmaker bestows a particular superlative on a given film,
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I think it depends on the film. For some films, the reception of non-critics could be included. Like here, how tech-industry commentators perceive the film would be relevant. Tarantino doesn't fit that. If a film had a mix of different kinds of non-critics responding to this film, maybe Tarantino
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I find it problematic for CinemaScore to be added to the "Critical reception" section. It is only added as an attempted foil to how critics received it, which is a garbage approach, like putting a film's box-office gross after its production budget. Audience scores belong in "Theatrical release"
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polls both critics and directors. Additionally, it is customary for the "Reception" section to include the opinions of critics AND filmmakers, especially when the filmmakers offer perspectives that are superlative in nature. Including Tarantino's comments would be in keeping with Knowledge (XXG)
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I can assure you that I am arguing in good faith. Here's another argument for Tarantino's inclusion: the Critical Response section routinely includes a film's CinemaScore, which is compiled from grades submitted by everyday audiences. Everyday audience members are not critics, yet that same
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Include him in the legacy section then. There's little doubt the film has spawned commentary in the years after its release. But there are a million Knowledge (XXG) pages about various films that include commentary from other filmmakers in their "Reception" sections. That's a fact.
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This film was released in a festival on September 24, 2010 and in theaters on October 1, 2010. It looks like there is coverage about the film's 10th anniversary that could be added to the "Legacy" section (which may need subsections by now). Here are some available sources:
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Is there something you want to change in the article as a result? Tarantino is quoted under the "Post-2010s assessment" subsection based on a reference that quoted his thoughts (not an actual review). I think that coverage is sufficient.
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the films that influence him or his current projects. As one of the more celebrated directors, and known for his critiquing, his opinion may count more? But perhaps as
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