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NOW but we should have the boxes ready. We will know if McMullin won Utah on the 9th. If he does he should be on top. If not, not. We should organize it this way. Electoral vote on top. Then over a million popular votes, then over a hundred thousand, then over ten thousand...several of the candidates listed near the top will go to the bottom of the list, as the write-ins will not be published in the media, so minor candidates who are only on the ballot in one or two states, will only have those totals published. How do I know this? That's what happened last time and the time before.
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No. I just want the results of the general election listed for each candidate and that's the easiest way to do it. I'm thinking about what to do on the ninth when all this insanity is over. The order shoudn't be in number of states a candidate is on the ballot, but by vote totals. We cannot do that
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