Talk:Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus

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discussed his translation with W and I believe there is also some published correspondence between W and Ramsey and Ogden (the other credited translator, and the editor of the English edition), so I would guess that W did approve the choice of title, but if so it would surely be relevant to say so in the article. It might also be relevant to point out that, apart from the allusion to the 'Tractatus' by Spinoza, at the time of publication the two most famous recent works on logic and philosophy in England were the 'Principia Mathematica' of Whitehead and Russell, and the 'Principia Ethica' of Moore himself, so the choice of a Latin title was somewhat in vogue.

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like variables and names suggests that this may not have been a problem: W. arguably viewed universaly generalizations as unanalyzed propositions which, fully analyzed, would turn out to be about--to name--each specific individual object. Quantified logic could in this way be reduced to something like propositional logic (An extensional one: not, for example, counterfactually or modally robust, nor even able to accommodate unknown information.) It was, of course, problems with "hooking" up such a view of language to the actual world that (among other things) led W. to reconsider these views.

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translated) rather than as English translations presented as if they were quotations? In my opinion the tendency to imagine a translation as the original, or to ignore as irrelevant the fact that a translation is a third-party's interpretation, is a significant flaw in our understanding of works from other cultures. Providing actual quotations would seem easier than stating everywhere that the translation of propositions etc., are actually the work of someone else. Currently there are no citations for the propositions apart from the notation in the Infobox.

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busy with setting out the conditions for a logically perfect language, but rather to show that that which he DID NOT (indeed, could not) write, was the important part of the work. In proposition 6.54 he announces that the whole of the Tractatus actually is nonsensical, and therefore any "logically perfect language" is nonsensical. I am only a student of philosophy, but I am sure that someone with better credentials can confirm that what is stated in this article's introdution is actually not the case.

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point was not ranked as a primary point, but was buried in the paragraph hierarchy down to the fifth level. If citable (and otherwise appropriate) sources have given this particular sub-sub-sub-sub-point, 5.1362, enough attention to justify treatment in this article, it could be a good idea to include such treatment in this article. Otherwise it sounds like potential

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in the family: but when our bodily state is affected by something we did in the world, we CANNOT feel hung-over THAT we got stinking drunk). If we learn new facts our emotions but not bodily feelings change: if Granny ain't dead after all we ain't sad, but our physical as opposed to emotional pain is unalterable by knowledge per se:

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family pet, such as a cat or dog. Rarely is pleasure or happiness ones reaction to a crime committed to one's self. Thus the 'sense of' (or reaction to) some happenstance in the world is due to something which transcends that happenstance. It appears that this is the 'sense' to which Wittgenstein appeals in 6.41 onward.

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Well. You might think an argument about will and the basic nature of time is profound enough to be a "main" point. I and quite imaginably others might be sympathetic to that perspective. But it's hard to overlook Wittgenstein's decision to structure the Tractatus in such a way that this particular

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I am not sure whether or not Wittgenstein himself called the numbered statements in the Tractatus "propositions" or not, but even if he did, I can hardly see how linking the Knowledge article on propositions is relevant here. The article in question mostly discusses (and rightly so) what philosophers

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Russell only says that in a specific part of the book, Wittgenstein is concerned with "the conditions which would have to be fulfilled by a logically perfect language", which is to say, if we were to have one. It does not follow that it was Wittgenstein's aim to create one; he might (and I think did,

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I am suspicious of the quality of this article on the Tractatus. It does not seem to do justice to Wittgenstein's work. Over the course of the next year, a group of research students (including myself) will be reading and discussing the Tractatus. I will check back on this article periodically to see

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The details of the two English translations were useful, but there's no clear agreement about which is the better - the Ogden translation was done with the assistance of Wittgenstein and two of the contemporaries who best understood his work. It uses slightly old-fashioned language, but that doesn't

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Wittgenstein didn't say that. He merely said that ethical and aesthetic propositions were beyond philosophy's ability to give them truth values. But to my knowledge, he never made the Logical Postivist mistake of failing to see the rational basis of ethics (we can feel sad THAT or BECAUSE of a death

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I have tried to clean up this article per the above request. Though it covered many important aspects of the text previously, it was a very jumbled and difficult to read article. I have provided a main theses section with subsections for the various propositions. I did not give every proposition its

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As far as I know that was exactly NOT what Wittgenstein had in mind. It was interpreted in that way by Russel. Wittgenstein disowned Russel's introduction and wanted to have the book revoked after he got out of the Italian POW camp. In Wittgenstein's own introduction he makes it clear that he is not

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The Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus (widely abbreviated and cited as TLP) is the only book-length philosophical work by the Austrian philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein which was published during his lifetime. The project had a broad goal: to identify the relationship between language and reality and to

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As I understand it, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus was written in German by Wittgenstein and then translated by others. However this isn't clear from the introduction. As the precision in Wittgenstein's work seems to me fndamental to it should not his propositions be given as quotations (and then

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At present I'm just attempting to précis the flow of the argument. I want to make sure that the summary clearly sets out which section is being summarised, in the hope of avoiding controversy. I find it easier to do so with the headings in place. Perhaps a rearrangement can be done when the article

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Wouldn't it be better to put an index/summary of the seven main propositions, and then discuss them in detail, so that it's not too overwhelming? It would make more sense structurally if "What we cannot speak of we must pass over in silence" wasn't immediately followed by 8 "Influence and Reception

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Interesting. You understand that I'm not contesting the translation merely observing that it is a translation and that imo therefore the original statements at least ought to be cited (unless there is some logic for NOT incliding them). Translations = choices. Why wasn't the side by side edition

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which you call unsolved. What does that mean? Do you perhaps mean that there were residual philosophical problems only formulable using those symbols? No doubt there are, but you don't present any. (2) The problems of object-oriented programming etc. But since programming didn't exist in 1922,

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Two rows of values have failed to complete. This is because they threaten a contradiction. If a and b are to be values of the function Fx, then they cannot contradict the truth status of the variable. Which is to say neither a nor b can be true if -Fx is the case, and neither -a nor -b can be the

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The logical positivist regards all this as meaningless jibber jabber because (1) he fails to note, as does Martha Nussbaum in Upheavals of Thought, that ethical and aesthetic processes are superstructures of cognition (I am happy that my Granny ain't dead after all) and (2) the logical positivist

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Wittgenstein was probably quite aware of this, having studied under Russell and Frege, who invented said logical apparatus. (That said, the distinction between propositional and predicate logic was not fully worked out until a good decade later). But the view expressed in the Tractatus of things

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actually travelled to see Wittgenstein when W was teaching school in the Austrian mountains, to get personal instruction in how to translate the meaning of difficult passages from German. W. wanted side-by-side publ. in the German/English translation (viz., the 1922 Ogden translation of the 1921

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The book deals with the problems of philosophy and shows, as I believe, that the method of formulating these problems rests on the misunderstanding of the logic of our language. Its whole meaning could be summed up somewhat as follows: What can be said at all can be said clearly; and whereof one

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In art, we have the right in fact to not like a "Vermeer" when it turns out to be a forgery by van Meegeren. This is because aesthetic pleasure includes but is not exhausted by physical delight in visual scenes. It also includes the emotion of connecting with the past, with what Walter Benjamin

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6.421 advertises the equivalence of ethics and esthetics. Some indication of the validity of this statement can be seen in the reaction of some people to a crime or to a transgression, such as disgust, horror, and other non-positive emotions. These reactions are visible even to a child, or to a

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i have a 1986 reprint of the Routledge 1981 paperback parallel German/English edition. It gives dates of 1922 (original), 1933 (corrected), and 1955 (with index), plus a bunch of reprint dates, but nary a copyright notice in sight. The current Amazon image of the parallel edition gives a 1999

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I don't think it is clear from the article whether Wittgenstein himself approved of the title 'Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus' for the English translation. It is stated that the title was suggested by G. E. Moore and adopted by Ramsey, the main translator of the first English edition. Ramsey

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Wittgenstein wishes to set the limit (in language) of things that we may discuss and things which we cannot and should not discuss. It does not follow from this that he is attempting to create a "logically perfect language" and especially not that he was trying to flesh out Russellian "logical

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Wittgenstein does not only number n.1, n.11, n.111, etc. He also occasionally puts in n.01. This is definitely intentional, and seems to me to denote a clarification, rather than an elaboration. I am not sure if this is the scholarly concensus or even verifiable. However, any discussion on the

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The article currently says, "It sets forth on an ambitious project to identify the relationship between language and reality and to define the limits of philosophy by articulating “…the conditions for a logically perfect language.” (Russell, p. 8 in the C. K. Ogden Translation) The goal was a

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it is," and 6.522 "There is indeed, the inexpressible. This shows itself; it is the mystical" demonstrate his position. To him the world (universe) and the language that describes it are by themselves incomplete (6.54 paraphrased: the world must be transcended to be entirely understood).

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Regarding the following quotation from the article: "It sets forth on an ambitious project to identify the relationship between language and reality and to define the limits of philosophy by articulating “…the conditions for a logically perfect language.” (Russell, p. 8 in the C. K. Ogden

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The book will, therefore, draw a limit to thinking, or rather -- not to thinking, but to the expression of thoughts; for, in order to draw a limit to thinking we should have to be able to thnk both sides of this limit (we should therefore have to be able to think what cannot be thought).

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Who were these contemporary cyberneticists? Given that the term "cybernetics" was not introduced until 1948, does it mean "modern day cyberneticists" rather than "contemporary"? And why is this amusing to anyone, particularly cyberneticists? Definitely some more explanation needed here.

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The instruction - - - - - T can be interpreted in the following non standard way. When taken in conjunction with the variable and its values it expresses an operation that generates a truth function of the form (FFFFFT). The next two truth tables draw out the potential implications.

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can be made into a bit pattern, this is not a claim made by Wittgenstein. I was also unable to find reference to this claim that does not derive from this very article ? perhaps you might be able to. And finally the author claimed to parse the truth functions in C-code, but does not.

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Obviously, but what exactly was his contribution? Truth tables were apparently in use elsewhere, although he certainly popularised their use. He provided a way to sequence propositions, but that does not seem to be what the author thought was important. The claim is that

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Furthermore...in analects 2.7 Kong Fu Zi (Confucius) implies that animals take care of their aged but this is not what he fully means by "filial respect": one should consider filial respect as including the mammalian care PLUS something more and more uniquely human.

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doesn't know about levels such that a lower level can exist without the higher level but not vice versa. Our fully embodied cognition is superstructure to a mammalian basis, but the logical positivist doesn't know jackshit about this because he's a brain in vat.

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The Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus (widely abbreviated and cited as TLP) is a book-length philosophical work by the Austrian philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein which deals with the relationship between language and reality and aims to define the limits of science.

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Would it be appropriate to add such a section? I am thinking in particular about the last episode of Fawlty Towers where Fawlty tells Manuel that the instruction he had just given him was "...not difficult, Manuel. This is not a proposition from Wittgenstein!"

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of language and truth theorists refer to as propositions, in terms of their ontological status and their truth value. This sort of technical discussion of a proposition hardly relates to whatever term we choose to name the Tractatus' constituent statements.

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5.542: It is clear, however, that `A believes that p', `A thinks p', `A says p' are of the form "`p" says p': and this does not involve a correlation of a fact with an object, but rather the correlation of facts by means of the correlation of their objects.

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I don't know the language, but "should" would make more sense, as many people don't do this "must" as evidenced by the fact that I'm questioning the translation without knowing the language. But of course, behind every "should" there is a "Why? Who says?"

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After thinking about it for a few days, I've decided to remove the material on prop. 5.101. Mostly because I could not determine exactly what it was that Wittgenstein was being praised for, but also because the table was rather difficult to fathom.

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This article needs improvements. There is much more to say about 1-3. Those sections contain more than 'just' another theory of language. Unfortunately my knowledge about Wittgenstein is limited (hey, that's why i came here in the first place!)

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6.54 My propositions are elucidatory in this way: he who understands me finally recognizes them as senseless, when he has climbed out through them, on them, over them. (He must so to speak throw away the ladder, after he has climbed up on it.)

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All philosophy articles should be removed from Knowledge because (1) you cannot write about philosophy without doing it, but this ability is completely beyond most Wikipedians and (2) they seriously distort important philosophical issues.

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As my reading group and I move through our discussion, I will revisit the following sections of the article and attempt also to improve them. In particular the first section strikes me as hugely oversimplified. That's enough for now.

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it does not exist, because it is not part of the world. This is illustrated in 5.641 "The philosophical I is not ... the human soul of which psychology treats, but the metaphysical subject, the limit—not a part of the world." The

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appropriate, perhaps all the more so because Kurnberger was an Austrian writer and revolutionary. I notice he doesn't rate a Knowledge article of his own, but did he have three words in mind? He seems to have been rather vocal -

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To me, it does not follow that all philosophical problems are solved. The ForAll and ThereExist symbols, and the problems of object-oriented programming with Class definitions, for me, are still unsolved with the 5.101 notation.

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printing, and says "All rights reserved", but there is still no copyright notice, so I think someone forgot to renew it. Amazon images of the Pears & McGuinnes translation give 1961 and 1974 copyrights. --

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I would rate the article as a weak 'B' (but cant find where to do so) as it gives enough info to give you an idea where TLP is about, but isn't quite sufficient for anyone that wants to know where it is about.

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Someone ought to add in discussion of more recent interpretations of TLP. Cora Diamond and others have focused on the question of what to make of that fact that Wittgenstein calls his own work nonsensical.

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I've created and uploaded an illustration which is meant to show, at-a-glance, the overall structure and scale of the Tractatus. This general effort is similar to other efforts to "map" or "tree" the work.

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Shortly, it may happen that a user finds its wholesale takedown warrantable for whatever reason. If so I'd like to know whether the image might be improved or whether a different approach is warranted.

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5.5421: This shows too that there is no such thing as the soul--the subject, etc.--as it is conceived in the superficial psychology of the present day. Indeed a composite soul would no longer be a soul.

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This particular picture-upload is "brittle" in the sense that it is large, complex, and a single mistake ruins the whole thing (since only I have the source files, to produce just one large image file).

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Currently, the first paragraph of the "Introduction" and "Description and Context" are exactly alike. Does anybody with more knowledge of this topic want to make those two sections look more different?

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This is a complicated subject, because it gets to Wittgenstein's point that the soul is part of the category which language cannot express. He is not explaining that the soul does not exist, only that

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I'm not sure of the purpose of the above comments, but please note that this page is not a forum for discussing W's philosophy. We should only discuss proposed changes to the text of the article.

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The formal relationship between the variable and its value, as demonstrated by these tables cannot be expressed by the Nand operator. However neither is this a standard Nor operation.

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case when Fx is true. With the rows failing to complete a formal relationship between variable and value is expressed. Only then can we write an abridged table of the following form:

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problems, and even if programming problems are a kind of philosophical problem (which is rather dubious), it wouldn't vitiate a claim to have solved all philosophical problems that

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What's more, the quote in the article doesn't even fairly represent what Russell said about the book! Here's the full quotation from the Ogden translation, Russell's introduction:

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I will leave editing the historical aspects of this article to someone else, though I think that what is said about it now could use a good deal more sourcing and verification.

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I agree with Michael Keats it is a NOR that it has 5 "-" s is meaningless in 5.502 it does say N(E) is the hegation of all the values of the propositional variable E

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s. First you need to create a citation {{Citation|first=Anthony|last=Kenny|year=2001|publisher=blah etc}} That gets rid of the multiple citations for Anthony Kenny

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In most cases, the Odgen translation is closer to the German original than the P&M translation. I was happy to find the Odgen translation in the main article.--

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I think a little bit about this point may be appropiate as it is here that Wittgenstein denies the unifying quality of the soul and subsequently the soul, itself.

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own heading though, because I felt that truly going in depth on each one would make the article far too long. I believe that it is quite a bit more readable now.

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It says he uses nand operators, but isn't it nor? In 5.5 the bit pattern is -----T, not -TTTTT. Nor is expressively adequate too, so it would do just as well.

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By all means, re-instate it, but it does need some justification and editing. If you wish to use it, I started constructing a HTML table of the values at

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Can we confirm where the Tractatus was completed? Was it completed at Como and later Cassino? or did he complete it at his family's Vienna sumer house?

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Ogden: "What is the case, the fact, is the existence of atomic facts." P & M: "2. What is the case--a fact--is the existence of states of affairs."

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For now, in the sections below, I will list what I can already see that is wrong with it, and open these topics up for discussion. You may also use my

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BTW i do diagree that this can formulise all logical formula's try to formalise VxEyFxy (V being the for all operation and E the there is operation)

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Has there been any development on this? To add some intrigue, he occasionally puts n.001, like in 4.001, 4.002, 4.003, and then does 4.01 soonafter

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Notice that in neither case is "a fact" parenthetical. I personally prefer the Pears & McGuiness rendering, as it seems less circular.

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to the typesetter. Thus the sequence of entries are not tied to the integers, but instead to the real numbers: 5, 5.0, 5.01, 5.02, 5.1,

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The description in the article probably derives from the footnote on 1, which probably isn't taken literally. I'll look in journals. –

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avoided the fact that their hero was a mystic. Such statements as 6.41 "The sense of the world must lie outside the world", 6.44 "Not

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Ogden: "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent." P & M: "What we cannot speak about we must pass over in silence."

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5.51 does mention thet N(p,q) stands for ~p & ~q but this is equal to ~(p v q) also 5.52 mentions that N(E) stands for ~(Ex).fx

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German edition from Ostwald), which is the usual format even today (you can get this format, e.g., in the Barnes & Noble publ.

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The present edition is ugly and unclear. But I am unable to see a way to improve it. Please, some edit it into a coherent article!

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Haha ... by the way: I just glanced inside my copy of the Tractatus and in the extraneous pages I saw a listing for a book called

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In any case, your remark is confused: You say that not all philosophical problems are solved, and as evidence you present (1) Two

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of the work". But I guess you wanted to preserve the numbering order of the seven propositions, to start with 1 instead of 1.1?

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And the literal reading of the nonsensical nature of the Tractatus itself. The commentary here is no where in that vicinity.

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I think Wittgenstein was being praised for proposition 5.101 for contributing to engineering, and that it should be kept.

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The limit can, therefore, only be drawn in language and what lies on the other side of the limit will be simply nonsense.

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5.101 is a demonstration of the mapping between natural words like AND, OR, NOT, IF-THEN and binary number patterns.

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edit: in case you wonder how/why this is here (i do) i obediently followed the link in the discussion about TLP:

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produced? This doesn't seem to me to be an argument about the quality of the translation but about veracity.

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Where is this coming from? Wittgenstein sets out his aim for the book in his own "Preface" to it as follows:

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In setting out the seven main theses, what translation was used? There are several apparent errors here:

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Ogden: "The thought is the significant proposition." P & M: "4. A thought is a proposition with

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philosophical system that would complete Bertrand Russell's early philosophy of "logical atomism.""

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This article is not currently distancing the words 'meaning' and 'sense'. When I read it, I think '

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Is this really a good translation? Wouldn't "one should pass over in silence" be a better one?

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The last half of (5) is missing: "(An elementary proposition is a truth-function of itself.)"

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The entries are laid out not with sequence numbers, but with insertion numerals to show their

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Wittgenstein's language, particularly in the Tractatus, is very deliberate. Facts is plural

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This seems to conflate both the Ogden and the Pears & McGuiness English translations:

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Wittgenstein knew all of this when he wrote the Tractatus and said as much much later.

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Again, a tiny detail is missing, because the two translations were misused (I think):

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to discuss topics related to what I have suggested, or my tags on the article itself.

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chooses to quote him as well ("They make tallow out of cattle and money out of men").

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A "proposition with sense" sounds like a sensible proposition. A "proposition with

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I suggest that there are eight, and not seven main propositions in the Tractatus.

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sense" probably refers to the Fregean notion of sense. These are quite distinct.

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My 2¢: All references to popular culture in Knowledge articles have no value.

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I agree with Lestrade and even more worthless than usual for Wittgensetin.

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The eighth is at paragraph 5.1362 which concerns the freedom of the will:

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For example, dive into the hypertext 5.101 (above), and consistently hit

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In each case, you will discover a different hypertext reading of TLP --

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Pain cry? Then language is a virus from outer space. - Laurie Anderson

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