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Knowledge on abstract and difficult to "teach" topics, this is the Knowledge norm, and so not a reason to fail the article. So, my question to you is: do you prefer that I pass the the article now,, or would you wish to enter into an interactive / joint effOrt and somewhat "critiquing" process to get it closer to or to what IMHO I described? So, if you'd rather not do that, or disagree with what I described, I will pass the article now. If we enter into that process, and you later decide that process, or you decide that you disagree with me, then I will pas the article then. Either way is 100% fine for this article which IMHO meets Knowledge Good Article standards as it is today. Sincerely,
638:. I am for making articles easily understandable, but it is problematic to try and explain everything that a reader may want explaining. The problem is where does one stop? To understand Laplace transforms, for instance, one must first have an understanding of calculus. To understand calculus one must first have an understanding of basic algebra. To understand algebra, one must first have an understanding of the operations of arithmetic, and to understand that, one must first master the principles of counting. To say nothing of Fourier analysis, complex numbers, phasors, and graphing a function, all of which would usually be taught as a preliminary before tackling Laplace transforms. To
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