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mentioned in a half sentence. There is one sentence about "The sine and cosine functions are one-dimensional projections of uniform circular motion" but this should be a whole section. There is no discussion of the relation of trigonometric functions to vectors, but this should also be a whole section. There is one example of a
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one has to be careful about which sheet of the covering space one is on, because a periodic function of period 2Ď is being described in terms of a periodic function of period Ď. Hardy does this by continuation using a quarter period, but that's needlessly complicated. I'll try to track down a source that explicitly uses this approach.
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section is a mess in my opinion: the material currently there is basic tools of trigonometry and should be moved to separate top-level sections, but we don't mention any of the applications of trigonometry (historically astronomy, navigation, surveying, architecture, gunnery, ..., or more recently
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You are editing the style of the article (if you do this for consistency purposes, your choice has to be discussed here at the Talk page, it doesn't matter if "the code looks prettier"). Another thing I should discourage you from doing is changing "trigonometric" to "trig"; you can't do that; the
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I edited the section "Radians versus degrees", lightly, for concision. "the images to the right there are not great and could probably be usefully moved or replaced, and the table's content also doesn't match the section, and it should be moved or modified." How should said images be moved or
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Could âin modern mathematicsâ be changed to âtodayâ? After all, these functions are by definition part of math, so the word âmathematicsâ is redundant. When it says â⌠cotangent functionsâ, could âfunctionsâ be removed, as it is obvious that these are functions? (More generally, can the word
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In the expression âTrigonometric function sin θâ, i think âTrigonometric functionâ is redundant (kind of like âin colorâ in âred in colorâ); anyone who knows what sine is, knows that it is a trig function. Also, in âsine function versus angleâ, âfunctionâ is redundant.
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