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1377:, and it returns "Violation Unlikely" at 11.5% similarity, which no reviewer I've ever met would think worth beginning to worry about. Looking through the flagged-up words in the result, it says that "quest-hero" is shared - it was already in direct quotation marks - and "of an old kingdom" and (elsewhere) "premonition of impending danger" matched. And that was it, apart from false positives like "The Fall of Gondolin" (title of a story). In short, it's fine as it is. 2175: 2152: 2127: 2088: 2062: 2036: 2015: 1979: 1958: 1938: 1910: 1878: 1841: 872:, using the Commons Croptool (which copies licensing and other info to the new file); the original Tuor slays Othrod file was similarly uploaded in 2007 by Loback; he gave it a GNU 1.2 and a CC-by-SA 2.5 license which is also fine; we have no idea why he'd use a different license there, but whatever his reason may have been, the images are both adequately licensed. 42: 1384:
covers things like word choice, word order, and sentence structure, and there is some not-inconsiderable overlap there. Earwig is not that much help when it comes to close paraphrasing since it detects identical sequences of words but cannot account for synonyms, minor restructuring, altered grammar,
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Hm, it's clearly attributed and cited, and the paragraph, directly reporting the scholar's argument, must necessarily follow the scholar's logic. The names involved obviously must be given just as they are; the mention of the Scouring must necessarily use some form of that word. The alternative is to
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Idril had a premonition of impending danger and like Helen, her beauty played a major role in instigating Maeglin's betrayal of Gondolin, which ultimately led to its downfall and ruin. Conversely, Greeman notes that Idril's advice to enact a contingency plan for a secret escape route out of Gondolin
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Not sure what the issue may be here as there is no flowery language in the section. It uses the plain "writes" or "states" when it's the scholar's opinion. It uses "notes" when the matter is one of verifiable fact, usually that the scholar is discussing something that Tolkien certainly wrote. Other
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Oh dear. Upon refreshing the page I see that you have edited the article a fair amount since I started my review, and it appears that a lot of the issues I brought up have been addressed already (great minds think alike, I suppose). I shall have to take a second look and update my comments above
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Having noticed Maeglin's suspicious behaviour, who said nothing about his encounter with Morgoth and his servants upon his return, Idril decided to construct a secret passage out of Gondolin, known as Idril's Secret Way. During the sack of Gondolin, Tuor defended Idril and their only child
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Sources on X mentioning Y demonstrates that Y is an important aspect of X, but not that X is an important aspect of Y. Species being named to reference fictional characters, celebrities and so on is not all that uncommon. These kinds of references are also fairly common in astronomy.
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quote the whole thing, of course, if you think that better; I'll note many editors object to lengthy quotations, even when they are of intricate arguments like this one. If you'd care to suggest a better paraphrase I'll be happy to consider it. To put this in perspective, I ran
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I don't follow your logic here. If a zoologist names a species after the character, it has relevance to the character in the character's article. After all, novelists create many thousands of characters every year, and few of them ever get species named after them.
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In early versions of the story Tuor was supposed to have travelled all the way from Dor-lómin along the shores of the Sea to the Mouths of Sirion. There he met Voronwë (or "Bronweg"), and in Nan-tathren Ulmo appeared to them. The journey to Gondolin was thus up the
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than that, if someone is comparing A and B, it says "compares" or "compares and contrasts" which is certainly neutral. There is one "points out" for a verifiable fact that Garth mentions. There is one "praises" which is clearly justified by the source.
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No need to merge it. I just think that if it's possible to expand it with additional details, that should be done. Some other Tolkien articles have sections that contain quite a bit of information of this type, such as
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In general, this section is rather dense with somewhat esoteric terminology (mainly names of places and characters) that makes it difficult to understand for readers not already familiar with the material.
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and the traitorous Maeglin, who was promised both Gondolin and Idril by Morgoth in return for the location of the hidden city and threatened to murder the child by throwing him over the edge of the city
1499:: The copyediting of Garth's analysis removed the explanation of Eärendil not having turned into the Evening Star yet, making it unclear to the reader why it should be absent from the sky Tuor sees. 1590:– I am unable to verify this (I can verify that the species exists). More to the point, if the only sources that discuss this are sources on the moth, it belongs at that article (and presumably at 241:
Again, this is correct in the scholarly analysis, where the rule about describing the main narrative does not apply: we are describing the scholar looking back at Tolkien's and other texts.
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Long before my time. The Wedding image was uploaded in 2007 by Loback; he gave it a GNU 1.2 license and CC-by-SA 3.0 which seems fine. I cropped the Tuor slays Othrod image from
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I'm guessing there is still something I'm missing (is Rogers' point just that the story exists within a larger mythology?), but I suppose it doesn't make a difference
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this falls on. I'll ask others for their opinions; if nothing else, it'll be an opportunity for me to learn a bit more about assessing things like this.
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He finds it fitting that Tuor, "Tolkien's early quest-hero", escapes from the wreck of an old kingdom and creates new ones, just as
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Reworded and glossed some more, and reduced the use of Sindarin names. There are numerous wikilinks and a map to help readers.
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Is this section necessary? If the characters don't appear but are only indirectly referenced it seems a tad questionable.
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We can merge it into Analysis if you prefer. It says what is needed about the real-world origins of the story.
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was heeded by her people, and that she had always rejected Maeglin's advances and remained faithful to Tuor
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No obvious neutrality issues. Opinions are clearly distinguished from facts and attributed as appropriate.
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Linda Greenwood notes that Tuor is the only mortal Man in the legendarium permitted to live as an immortal
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The infoboxes give the "Race" as "Men" and "Elf", respectively. Use either singular or plural for both.
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issue sufficiently that we can move on from it (though it introduced a new problem, mentioned below).
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A lengthy quote would definitely be worse. This obviously isn't copied outright from the source, but
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is at least an odd phrasing to me (though that may have more to do with the rest of the sentence).
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have been rephrased. "Compare" and "contrast" are fine when that is what the source is doing, and
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A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with
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Removed. Replaced with a brief lead-in, and then there's the table which says what is needed.
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Turgon's tower isn't mentioned in the text, so the illustration of its collapse lacks context.
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Now linked in an earlier section as this one has been moved, see last item in this section.
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It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
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All sources are, as far as I can tell, reliable for the material they are cited for.
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Jennifer Rogers notes that Christopher Tolkien seamlessly introduces the story
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https://www.wetanz.com/shop/miniature-figures/lord-elrond-of-rivendell-dol-guldur
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This is correct in the scholarly analysis, or we'd have to jump between tenses.
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Is clarifyingcatholicism.org a reliable source? For that matter, is it needed?
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A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
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Ryszard Derdzinski is a Tolkien scholar known for his work in linguistics.
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https://dc.swosu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2031&context=mythlore
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but that seems rather OR-ish really. I've merged the section with 'Idril'.
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Thanks. OK, reworded two Garth statements and trimmed the long sentence.
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It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing
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It's of interest that the weapon should be ascribed to the character.
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I would mention that the stuff about Aragorn relates to the events of
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All media are public domain or use licenses that are acceptable per
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Removed It's fine, but it's not needed given the other source here.
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This section seems a bit thin. It should be expanded, if possible.
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Perilous and Fair: Women in the Works and Life of J. R. R. Tolkien
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There are no aspects that immediately stand out as missing to me.
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There are still a couple of instances of single quotation marks:
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The use of single and double quotation marks seems inconsistent.
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whose mother Elenwë died during the crossing of the Helcaraxë
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Garth notes that Tuor stands there, arms outspread at sunset
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Earwig's Copyvio Detector with the URL of the cited article
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https://books.google.com/books?id=zrLIDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA193
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https://books.google.com/books?id=JMjgDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA64
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How come the Loback illustrations have different licenses?
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List of things named after J. R. R. Tolkien and his works
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the Evening Star was not in the western sky that Tuor saw
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and the such. Like I said, I don't know which side of
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All done (I'll do a few edits that don't matter for
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This was the second union between the Elves and Men.
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