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They have all been duly addressed: several statements were supplied with additional sources and minor corrections were also made. Contributors are not obligated to meet your every demand and modify content according to your subjective opinion. If you think there's a mistake or certain statements need
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At some point, perhaps in the later eleventh or twelfth century, the Khazar connection was felt to be no longer relevant or perhaps even desirable, and a revised version of Seljuq origins was circulated. In this the Khazar ruler became simply the king of the Turks and the story of Duqaq’s attempt to
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Jand was the heart of an Oghuz principality which was a vassal of
Khwarazm, the northernmost Muslim province in Central Asia. Khwarazm, ruled by the Ma’munid dynasty, was itself theoretically subject to the Samanid state (204/819–390/999) that dominated Transoxiana and
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Seljuqs to have made repeated offers to the Ghaznavids about raiding fellow tribesmen, and preventing them from gaining any foothold. With waning Ghaznavid power, they even executed raids to these
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improvement, go ahead and edit them (don't forget to add decent sources, of course), and contribute to
Knowledge in a more positive way instead of posting blocks of messages in this and several other talk pages. --
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I had added additional sources on 25 October 2021 and there is not misrepresentation. The concepts were thoroughly reformulated, avoiding close paraphrasing, structure, and presentation according to
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Laissant de cote les prolongements introduits par des genealogistes complaisants, nous trouvons comme ancetre des
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Visioncurve, when you are removing failed-verification tags, please provide the exact quotations. Else, I will be compelled to reinsert the tags.
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Even assuming that you were intending to reference p. 146 of
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They never left the state but migrated to the frontiers. The reality was quite complex, that you fail to portray (Peacock_2015; p. 25 ):
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which is a policy and stands violated at every alternate line. You have not addressed a single issue of the many, I raised.
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