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Make sure you can see the "View" pop-up by showing the palettes toolbar (oval button in the top right of the window frame) and select Glyph. Then choose Apple
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Hinting has to do with how glyphs are rendered out on a device with a low resolution. With a limited number of pixels available, it becomes important to make the best use of every one of them. By adding "hints" to a font, the typeface designer can provide guidance to the font rendering engine about
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Charcoal and Chicago' as this aappears to be not true, according to
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how to best reduce the font to low point sizes on a computer display. Hinting can also affect the spacing between letters. The process is rather complicated, and my knowledge on the topic is not very deep. I plan to read up on it, and create
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Helvetica is used in advertising, but the iPhone 5S wordmark is definetely not set in Helvetica Neue Ultra Light. The caption in the article is wrong, the font used is some lighter weight of Apple Myriad.
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