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and deodorant, there is not a caveat that this is an ancient version of both so it's a bit confusing. Also the article on deodorant does not mention this claim anywhere, the one on toothpaste does, but with the same source. The article on toothpaste states that the Romans had a sort of toothpaste too, which came before the Caliphate and included the Iberian peninsula, so Ziryab perhaps reintroduced it. However the source is from an author (Ivan van Sertima) who also claims the Olmecs were originally Africans and Africans discovered America before Columbus. His work has been widely critisized for 'robbing native American cultures' and disregarded as pseudohistory.
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would still be of fully Arab origin"." I do have a problem with that. If the Y chromosome would be the only genetic material of Arab descent remaining in the aformentioned Hisham, then it would still be one out of 46 chromosomes, making up at least 2% of his genetic material, as opposed to the supposed 0.1%. Did I miss something? Did they miss something? Or were the findings in the given study paraphrased too shortly so that the sentence now is simply wrong (with this specific detail)? --
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There are many, many Taifa states that emerged as the caliphate collapsed, and some are still missing from the infobox, probably more than we can reasonably keep track of. So rather than keep adding to an already long list that would became hard to follow and further stretch the infobox's length down
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The last section "List of rulers" is concluded by the sentence "Therefore, a genetic study concluded that the genome of Hisâm II, the tenth ruler of the Umayyad dynasty, "would have mostly originated from the Iberian Peninsula and would not be more than 0.1% of Arab descent, although the Y chromosome
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This article is full of Spanish place names, but I take the view that there should be English language place names for English language articles. This isn't simple chauvinism but because references should match up, so that (for instance) searches will lead there better. Can anyone suggest how best to
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This line can be read in the section on culture "Al-Andalus was subject to eastern cultural influences as well. The musician Ziryab is credited with bringing hair and clothing styles, toothpaste, and deodorant from Baghdad to the Iberian peninsula." Considering these claims especially on toothpaste
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Even considering the wealth of cultural exchange and legacy of Muslims on the Iberian Peninsula, has there ever been a real discussion regarding their presence in Spain? Has anyone ever asked the obvious question: What were Arabs doing in Spain in the first place? This question is fair I think when
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So I would state this claim from him should be taken with a very large grain of salt, should an author with such a record be the only source for such a claim? If there is no other source than Sertima for this claim I would suggest just taking this whole claim out of the article.
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They destroyed the crumbling Visogothic empire. What were the Visogoths (Germans) doing in Spain? What were the Romans doing in Spain? What were the Carthagians doing in Spain? What were the Greeks doing in Spain? Why do you only want to ask this question of the
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When this article was on the Main Page Did You Know, it was decided that this should be named "Caliphate of Córdoba" not "Caliph of Córdoba", because it's about a series of
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was turned from a redirect into an article about a month ago? I don't see any discussion on this Talk page, and the Talk page for that page still redirects here. –
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Where's the page on the EMIRATE of Cordoba gone, it keeps redirecting here, but i'm looking for the period directly before this. Starting in roughly 750.
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I think its neccessary to specify the language in this case so I added "Arabic" before it because I studied Arabic & I know that was in Arabic.
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I am getting ready to write a large addition to the Cordoba section but am vacillating on where to place it. My first thoughts based on the books
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I correct my previous idea: this article deals better with the Emirate period than Al-Andalus article. Though only slightly better.
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you consider how the Christian Crusades in the Middle East, which came afterwards, is used as a tired trope to bludgeon skeptics.
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You're assuming that each chromosome makes up an equally large segment of a persons genetic material, which is fallacious.
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Note: This was a discussion originally present on the Emirate of Córdoba's talk page moved as a part of a merger.
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page. If anything, the number of articles on Al-Andalus should be decreased (e.g. by joining the
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Nevertheless it would surely be great if the Emirate article was created as well. --
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infoboxes. A similar summary is used in some other similar situations, e.g. at the
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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could we add how the slave trade with a big part of Córdoba's economy please
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that I am initially reading is to place them in either a new section of
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La civilització del califat de Còrdova en temps d'Abd-al-Rahman III.jpg
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Avveroes and Maimónides came AFTER the Caliphate of Cordoba, right?
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or something similar page. However there are other options such as
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This should be a requested article instead a redirec. --
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Talk:Umayyad state of Córdoba
archive
current talk page
Archive 1
Byzantine_coinage
Hiberniantears
20:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
caliphs
Art LaPella
05:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
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Parrish Smith
talk
contribs
12:51, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Iraswe
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193.6.158.33
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16:19, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
PMLawrence
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12:52, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Wikiléptico
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18:35, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
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90.241.6.140
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14:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

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