Talk:Uncontacted peoples

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Lacandon history. Everything added to the article is relevant to the topic, I added in small details to help create an image of the tribe, without divulging too much into their history, as there is another page with more information on the Lacandon people. The article is neutral, no bias or sides were taken, all the information included is factual without any outside opinions. This information comes from the "Peoples, Nations, and Cultures" and it derives off of encyclopedic material and is formatted more as an index, and does not delve much into political opinions on the multiples cultures they cover, including the Lacandon. So, the information is very neutral, with slight anthropological genres. Each point that added into the book are equally represented with the amount of information given, it would be impossible to every bit of knowledge for every single uncontacted tribe, due to dangers of encroachment and possible contamination of the uncontacted peoples' environment; naturally it would seem that some cultures may be underrepresented in the book which is due to lack of available information, not bias. The links to the citations do work, but there is a small fee if a person does not have a subscription to the website, and there is no plagiarism to be seen in article entry as the paraphrasing is all cited. The information is not out of date, this is coming from years of what little collected data is available on these tribes, anything in the last 2 decades is a win for getting information on uncontacted people. There is of course much missing information that could be added to the book, but again there is only so much investigation that can be done on uncontacted, they reserve the right to privacy, and can sometimes behold dangerous interactions to outsiders.

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Jewish people who were once running from anti-semitism and tried to pretend they're Catholics in order to do so, but they kept Jewish rituals and so on, while at the same time they eventually forgot and came to thought they were really Catholics. They're "uncontacted" in an Amish-type of level, which is probably technically out of the definition of this article, but I was wondering if there were something more extreme than that in some localities. Unfortunately I have no other recollection about them, except that they're somewhere in the North or Northeast region.

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referred to "peoples", such as "The peoples of the New World", meaning "The amalgamated ethnic groups of the New World". If one wished to refer to a group of individuals without reference to their ethnicity, one used the word "persons" or "men". At some point the distinction between "people" and "persons" became vague, and today most individuals use "people" as a perfect synonym for "persons. However the old usage still remains perfectly correct: people still means "ethnic group" and "peoples" still means "ethnic groups".

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separate pages for Brazilian tribes. However, I did try to pick examples that highlighted the shared challenges of all uncontacted peoples, and that was what I was really going for. Some historical briefing that gave more context to the definition, or how the UN/other organizations came to that definition.

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As for further reading, bare refs, and See also I'll be honest that I usually don't touch those, mostly because I have no idea what I'm doing. My expertise is pretty much templates, images, and edits, and that's about it. I might do some reading to see what the intended purpose and best practices are

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I came to this article looking for details of the isolated tribe in the Philippines who were announced as an uncontacted people in the 1970s, but it later turned out their status as a "Stone Age" people was a hoax, or at least greatly exaggerated. I found nothing. A Google search turned up their name

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Were there instances already of ermit-like isolationists actually culturally forgetting they were once a branch of an European/other population, along with other aspects of their own history? I've heard once that in Brazil there's a village of people who think they're Catholics, but they're actually

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There are several ethnic groups in Siberia. And yes, some of them (though not all) are of Asiatic origin. All of them, while not necessarily integrated into the wider global culture, are in full contact. The same with Africa. So far as I know, there are no peoples who meet the criteria for inclusion

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There is an article in the March, 2013 edition of Smithsonian magazine that mentions several recently discovered peoples who are not named in this article. Does this article need to be updated? Additional articles written? If so, I am not the person to do this, but wanted to call attention to the

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after coming across this page in general reading. It reads like it is conveying a narrative, especially emphasising the voluntary nature of uncontacted peoples, and for instance, the 'Relations with Outsiders' section uses "suggests" a few times too many for my liking in a way that would seem more

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Unregistered user here, I'm also very interested. The article goes into great detail about people in South America, and obviously there isn't much to discuss about New Guinea peoples, but the map clearly shows an uncontacted tribe in Malaysia, and seemingly some in the middle of Africa. Does anyone

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I've tagged the South America section as self-contradictory. It starts by saying that there are 50 or so groups in the continent as a whole. Later, it is claimed that there are 67 in Brazil alone. Looking at the dates, it may be that the 50 is simply out of date, but I wasn't sure what to update it

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It depends on what you think the subject of the article is. I think the subject is peoples who are known by and whose lives are touched by, at most, their nearest neighbors, and that's it. That, before European exploration of the Americas, Africa, and the Pacific in the 16th century and thereafter,

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I was thinking much the same thing when reading this. Is it due to the lack of centralised governments that keep registers of tribes/peoples? My parents recently lived in Lesotho where I heard anecdotes of some tribes not being located until the 1960's due to the mountainous terrain in the country.

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First Contact which actually shows the interactions between the Australian prospectors and the uncontacted people all cover this subject quite specifically. Of course, Apocalypto only covers it briefly and I've seen it mentioned that ~100 years is about the expiry date for relevance for this topic,

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It doesn't make sense, and the sentence before it in the "Uncontacted peoples in Western culture" section is also poorly written. The two sentences are sourced, so if I get a chance I'll look at them (unless someone else does before I get to it) and see if I can come up with suitable replacements.

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More seriously, referring to the lead sentence of the article, the definition of "uncontacted peoples" doesn't describe a reciprocal relationship. "We" aren't among "communities who live, or have lived, either by choice (people living in voluntary isolation) or by circumstance, without significant

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Jarawa Concerns: Change in food habits and introduction of addictives such as tobacco and alocohol Intrusion of poachers into Jarawa Reserve for removing natural resources like wild pig, fish, crab, wood and honey. These intrusions often result in violent encounters. Ongoing sexual exploitation of

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This section is confusing. The tribes listed in the paragraphs of text do not match the tribes listed in the tables. Lists of regions where uncontacted tribes can be found are unnecessary, since the tables also include a column for location. Suggest using tables to list the tribes and the text to

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The facts added came from a direct source to the Lacandon people and their history. This information is coming from the book "Lacandon Maya." Cassell's Peoples, Nations and Cultures, edited by John Mackenzie, Cassell, 1st edition, 2005" and has a testimony of what brief facts are found about the

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The problem is that the word "people" has undergone a transition in meaning in the past century or so. 100 years "people" had just one meaning: ethnic group. Hence "We, the people" in the US constitution, meaning "We, the US ethic group". If one wished to refer to more than one ethnic group, one

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This needs to be addressed. Many statistics on this article come from Survival International, but I can't find sources for their claims on their website. They only seem to have videos on the uncontactedtribes.org website to back up their claims, and these videos provide no statistic information.

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Hello. I took the section out because it doesn't fit the subject of the article. The lead defines "uncontacted peoples" as "communities or groups of indigenous peoples living without sustained contact to neighbouring communities and the world community". In no way is China "groups of indigenous

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One possibility is adding a more clear thesis statement to that section, and dividing it up into subsections. "Historical Exploitation", "Harmful and Beneficial Contact", and "Debate around initiating contact" are categories I came up with off the top of my head. Particularly in "Debate around

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Last but not least, I agree that "relations with outsiders" has become pretty nebulous. We might want to have a discussion about what the purpose of this page is so we can understand if that information is relevant. If we wanted to, I agree most of it is tied to Brazil, and we could move it to

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is predicting a conflict "never saw in 500 years" between three tribes wich one is imigrating from Peru to Amazon/Acre (state of Brazil). People should avoid Envira region because is been disputed by the tribes, everyone who trepass this region is in extremely danger by ranger/arrow attacks.

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You've to name some countries everywhere in a way or in another....:( There are many more "uncontacted" tribes with size much larger than a single member, if the threshold to be "uncontacted" in modern age goes back to 1920s.......this would include almost surely some tribes in Ethiopia (eg

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This is an article about uncontacted ethnic groups. It is not about uncontacted individuals. It is not about a single uncontacted ethnic group. The only correct title for such an article using regular English is "Uncontacted peoples". Any other phrasing would be incorrect using standard

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NO ONE IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. PEOPLE KEEP REVERSING THIS. ISN'T THERE ANYONE THAT CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS? IS ABSOLUTELY OFFENSIVE THAT "AMERICANS" KEEP TRYING TO SIMPLY "PROVE THAT THEIR COUNTRY IS ABSOLUTELY SUPERIOR TO ANY OTHER COUNTRY NO MATTER WAHT". WHAT THE FUCK?

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Before their statistic claims are confirmed, I think we should remove some claims presented as facts from this article, or at least make it clear that they may be inaccurate. This article distributes information that may be not true. Thoughts? I'll try to find some more sources.

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In the Africa section of this article, there's a few question marks over rural Gabon, Republic of Congo, and DRC, but no citations or anything to back it up. Is there any evidence of there being uncontacted African people that are extant to the present? Anyone got a source?

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peoples". There was no "world community" back then. The subject of this article, "uncontacted peoples" is a modern phenomenon that only makes sense in the context of globalization. But if you want to have a discussion about the scope of this article, I'm open to that. --

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Researcher Nicolás Flores was assassinated by Mascho-Piro with an arrow. The Manú Park is now closed because him (and others) leaved gifts in the park such as food and clothes. Probably the industrialized food intoxicated someone and they decided to kill him.

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The following text was taken out, but I would argue that the concept of uncontacted peoples does not exist without a history. Hence I suggest to reintroduce it to reflect the colonial history and background and to invite further contextualization by editors:

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The decision in 2018 was to keep this image, based on a discussion of Brazilian law but not adequately taking into account the moral dimension. I just posted an argument to reopen this discussion. Please consider these arguments on the discussion page.

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initiating contact" we could make it more general, with possible benefits being increased integration with society and funding regardless of where the peoples reside, and possibly giving other examples to make it less specific to Brazil and FUNAI.

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The map is inaccurate and not based on reliable sources. The black spot refers to the Temiar people of Peninsular Malaysia -- they were first contacted in the 19th century and now make frequent contact with the mainstream Malaysian society.

2523:. I have tried to edit the article to make it more consistent and avoid confusion, for example where it said "there were thought to be roughly 100 uncontacted people worldwide" it was unclear whether this is 100 individuals or 100 tribes. -- 2140:

Most of the material claims and statements in this article come exclusively from Survival International who has a less than impeccable reputation. We need to seek out additional sources that aren't just attributed to Survival international.

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I think the latter quote actually means there are 100 uncontacted individuals so "peoples" should be changed to "people." If it actually means there are 100 groups, then it must be wrong that there are only 50 such groups in the Americas.

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consistent with an essay or argument. Sticking closer to cited sources and perhaps even intentionally covering the terminological debate in a separate section could go some way to cleaning up this entry and making it more encyclopaedic.

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It would be interesting to have something related with estimates of levels of endogamy. Some of the population estimates are extremely low, I'd guess it means they probably exchange people with neighboring tribes, "less uncontacted".

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but I thought I'd drop it in for good measure. Perhaps someone could find one of the sources covering the change in attitudes towards uncontacted people in pop culture, something that Cannibal Holocaust dealt with fairly directly!

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In the main article it is said that Constance island merged with North Sentinel after the 2004 tsunami. It appears however from Google earth, that at least 100 meters of see still separates Constance island from North Sentinel.

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According to the report of Vincent Brackelair there aren´t, strictly speaking, any uncontacted peoples in Venezuela anymore. The Yanomami have already had first hand contact with other groups. Here is the link for the report:

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Yes, yes, I know that some aid agencies / politically correct folks like to add an "s" to "people" on occassion, but they do all tend to belong to one particular part of the political spectrum. This is not regular English.

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SORRY FOR WRITING IN ALL-CAPS, BUT WHY DO YOU INSIST IN KEEPING THIS IN? ISN'T IT CLEAR THAT THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ARTICLE? THE LAST "UNCONTACTED" AMERICAN OVER 90 YEARS AGO? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? STOP IT, PLEASE.

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The article says "About 50 groups of indigenous peoples of the Americas live in isolation" but then says "approximately 100 Ayoreo peoples, some of whom are in the Totobiegosode tribe, live uncontacted in the forest."

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There is a discrepancy in this article between the title ("Peoples", which unneccesarily adds an "s" to a word that is already a plural), and the body of the article (correctly using "people" as a collective noun).

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Dictionaries seem to agree that the word "people" has several meanings, including as a plural of "person" and as a singular noun that pluralises to "peoples". I like the Merriam–Webster definition of the latter:

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It's great to see the caution and concern for terminology in this article, making sure we steer clear of our intellectual forebears' tendency to toss around terms like "savages". However, if you look at

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I have no idea where you get the idea that "peoples" is aligned to any political group. It is standard, regular English, universal in the English speaking world. Might I suggest consulting a dictionary?

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Pretty much every article on the subject says something vague like "there are uncontacted tribes in New Guinea"... However, it is very difficult to find any specific information about it.

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Who were the last isolated tribes in Europe, or in Russia? I am thinking the last ones in Asian Russia are likely to have been some Uralic or Yakutian peoples, but one would like to know.

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Wouldn't europe be for the Siberian peoples, which are more asian? although I could be wrong, I don't know much about it but I would be interested to find out about those two regions

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Indigenous peoples, and specifically those in voluntary isolation, have been its search for the Ten Lost Tribes, being incorrectly associated with them and sometimes named as such.

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Thanks! Looks good. I like the definition section and "..in culture". The "relation with outside" works for me, I guess it is as good as "Contact". You though took out two terms:

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This text is not sourced, and reads like a poorly built and poorly formatted bulleted list. Does it belong in the article? Does it belong in the linked article (3 times)?

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Jarawa women. In one case, a Jarawa woman was raped inside the GB Pant Hospital, Port Blair. In another case Jarawa woman was raped by two tribal welfare male staff.

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Anyone know why theres a black spot on the map shown at the beginning of the article? theres no reference to an uncontacted people there in the article.

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Uncontacted because no efforts in language and trade has been made. Contact them is very dangerous as they feel threatened and reacts aggressively.

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Thank you for the answers. I guess you are right about the different case of a world community and not "just" two world regions without contact.

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A good See also section includes a blurb after the link briefly summarizing why one might want to "see also" it. Like "Terra nullius" ... wut? --

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The information was out of date, and wrong because it was the Lacandón people of southern Mexico who were last to be contacted, Changed today.

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individual on the planet knew nothing about much of the rest of the world and had contact with almost none of it isn't really the same topic.

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etc. notices on this article, it is in need of an overhaul. Suggest reconsidering the content according to the following definition, from

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This is correct, so I deleted that part. I couldn't edit external reference 9, I don't know why, so if anyone can do it, please proceed.

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Uncontacted does not exclude limited contact with neighbouring tribes or very limited contact with colonizing society e.g. missionaries.

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Millar, Ashley Eva (2011). "Your beggarly commerce! Enlightenment European views of the China trade.". In Abbattista, Guido (ed.).

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I'm not sure if I'm allowed to drop this link here, so correct me if I'm not, but there was a good reddit thread on this topic:

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Die Verwandlungen des Mythos vom Reich des Priesterkönigs Johannes. Rom, Byzanz und die Christen des Orients im Mittelalter

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They should be living largely as they would have in pre-industrial times, though some may have acquired metal, for example.

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Since then, the government has made many attempts to relocate and settle them. Very few attempts, however, have been made.

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Basically looks like the Sami and the Faroese are still pretty isolated, as a look at their wikipedia pages suggests.

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If there's no information whatsoever on these people/existence is a rumour then maybe the map should be updated?

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society" (emphasis mine). I am assuming that everybody else sees the problem with the term "civilized" here, so I

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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does not mention it, for e.g. Suggest leaving New Guinea out of here for now until better info can be found. --

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There is a mention in the Guardian article (without details). I suggest the spot be deleted, it's misleading.

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I argue that it doesnt hurt the article to give it a structure and easy overview, instead of a bloated lead.

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In the interests of consistency, I propose that the title of the article be re-named "Uncontacted People".

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have any information on these tribes? Even if it's just "we know there are some uncontacted people here".

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https://www.reddit.com/r/AskAnthropology/comments/350aqi/are_there_any_uncontacted_peoples_left_in_europe/

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Although the peoples can be enumerated (e.g. "there are more than 100 such tribes in the world") Per

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If they're explorers and they have their own Knowledge, then I would imagine they'd list us that way.

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Encountering Otherness. Diversities and Transcultural Experiences in Early Modern European Culture

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I went ahead and implemented your recommendations about the list and "In modern culture" location.

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