Talk:United States/Archive 1

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territorial waters of both Russia and the United States -- they therefore share a common border. The same is true for two bordering nations or states that are separated by a wide river or lake -- a border line is drawn in the exact middle of the body of water. Cuba and France are well beyond this 12 mile limit. Military bases and embassies are treated differently in these discussions, and the example of Guantanamo Bay is incorrect -- the land is in fact Cuban territory, we simply have a long term lease to the property that we enforce by our military presence (this was, of course, negotiated pre-Castro and we simply held it despite his protests. This legal distinction is also why we have our "detainees" there -- so that the US Constitution does not become a problem) --

1167:"On July 30, 1956 a law was passed stating that "the national motto of the United States is hereby declared to be 'In God we trust'." (70 Stat. 732. 36 U.S. Code 186). The House Judiciary Committee recognized that the phrase E Pluribus Unum had also received wide usage in the United States, and the joint resolution did not repeal or prohibit its use as a national motto. In 1963 the Department of State took the following position: "'In God we trust'" is the motto of the United States. It seems to the Department, nevertheless, that there is ample basis both in history and I law for calling 'E Pluribus Unum' a motto of the United States." The Congress has used both." 912:. If you persist in this ridiculousness, I insist you move the Netherlands to Holland (I grew up in a community of Dutch immigrants and no one ever refered to the country as the Netherlands always Holland so obviously it is the conventional form of the name) and Mexico to the United States or to United States of Mexico, and the United Kingdom, Great Britain and Northern Ireland etc. all back to England where they belong. This is anti-American bias again. In short the name of the country is America, the form of government is United States, just as Germany is a Federal Republic and Mexico a United States. 672:

The only reason I can imagine for the current mistake is that "Demography" rhymes with "Economy" (sort of). It is interesting that these words are not really parallel -- Dempography is the study of demographics, and Economics is the study of the economy. It makes sense to head a section "economy," but the real parallel would be to follow this with "demographics," not "Demography." We might as well change "Economy" to "Economics" -- that wouldn't make sense, nor does "Demography."

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not uncommon at all for residents of, say, East Los Angeles or San Francisco's Chinatown to live their whole lives without speaking enough English for basic conversation. Several individual states have passed resolutions declaring English the "official" language of the state, but even in most of those you can get voter registration forms and such in Spanish. And there is no federal law. In fact, such a law would probably be ruled unconstitutional. --

31: 1261:, but it's not like this is 100% new status. The US has been a superpower for the entire 20th century, I don't think any other country could really be considered a superpower throughout the century (the Soviet Union was one from end of WWII through the 80s, perhaps). Finding a succinct way to say that might be better than picking an exact point at which the US became a hyperpower (which seems to be the way that sentence has headed). — 809:. Also, it is not clear that the text there is only a summary - people may be urged to add lots of stuff to it, while that is not the intention. The previous form was much clearer in that aspect. Although it's mostly cosmetic, I think it's a good thing to try and use one consistent "look-and-feel" for all country pages, and I'm for putting back the old form of section headings. 950:. For instance, there is no "Holidays" section. I know that Holidays in the US is a somewhat vague matter, but there does in fact exist a list of federal holidays, which is the closest parallell to offical holidays of other countries. There is a clearly defined list in the culture pages, but that obvisouly seems to serve another, more cultural purpose. It even lists 152:, etc. but they are recognized as wars nevertheless. Given that the War against Terrorism is a multi-country action involving U.S. troops in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Phillipines, and probably some other places we don't know about, it seems reasonable to believe it will be regarded as a "real war" in the future. I'm not sure if we want to list it now, though. 1512:

Reddi, it was never certain whether nullification or secession would be legal. The Consitution is a compact among sovereign states - the states gave the federal government power, insead of the other way around. As a result, it was not certain whether states would be able to pull out of this contract.

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I think The Cunctator is on the right track with having the headings remain unlinked and having a See: link at the end of each section summary. I will experiment with this general format later to see if it can be improved. I would also like to thank The Cunctator for turning the history summary into

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Wow, this country never ceases to amaze me (not always in a positive sense, mind you) - even more so when I was there earlier this month. But to get back on Knowledge issues: Brion, I think an article on the legal status of English in the US of A would indeed be very useful (the text you linked would

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No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts,

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i think you misunderstood me. i absolutely agree with you that the colonies became independent at the moment they signed the declaration in 1776. but the entitity that currently exists at the "united states of america" didn't exist until the constitution was signed in 1789. between 1776 and 1789,

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I think you are technically correct here, but that would also mean France and Britain border (Dover Strait is about 21 miles from coast to coast), and then I don't even count the Channel Islands. (Same would go for Denmark and Sweden, f.e.) However, the common idea of a border is that a land border.

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My edit of April 17 is intended to include more or less neutral factual information regarding capitalism, social class and its effect on politics. I got sidetracked a bit on European immigration and on writing an essay on support of political parties. There is a typo supprort which can be corrected

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Furthermore, your other examples are incoherent. Holland and England are poor choices not because they are not common use, but because "Holland" is factually not identical to the Netherlands, and "England" is not identical to the United Kingdom, as any Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish person will

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I agree with The Conctator in this matter -- not that he is the final arbitrator of quality, but that this issue should be revisited and reconsidered. "Demography" is the study of demographics; the information currently listed under "Demography" is not about demography at all, it is demographics.

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recall that several of us voted on this very issue and decided to go with "demography". I'm a native English speaker too and to my ears there is nothing wrong with "demography" at all. You are more than welcome to put this to another vote but please stop changing these types of things unilaterally.

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Absolutely. Particularly in California, at least until a few years ago, there were quite a few public schools that taught classes in Spanish, Mandarin, Vietnamese, and Tagalog. California voters decided they didn't much like that and got rid of it. But there are still many private schools. It's

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I see you re-added Russia as a bordering country ("it's only 2.5 miles away from the Aleuts"). However close, it is not a border of course. We might as well start stating that Spain and Africa border, or England and France, Sweden and Denmark, or Yemen and Somalia. If you wish to say that Russia is

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dominant unit with the UK, France et al as sub-units. The USA conferation failed because it was too ramshakle and lacked a unity. The federation created a central entity, the USA, with the states as sub-units rather than co-equal independent members of a club, the case in 1776. Remember also, 1776

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federation is in effect a club of independent units who share powers together and in a limited way act in unison. The original confederate United States of America was replaced by the federal United States of America; same name, different meaning. The difference can be highlighted in the different

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Brion, are you sure there's no official language in the USA? I think all government writing is in English and that English has to be taught at schools. Or is that really only "de facto", as you say? That's kind of surprising to me then, and I've never seen it like that in any encyclopedia or other

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Like I said in the edit history, its not a big deal. However, the territorial limit of any nation is 12 natical miles with an exclusive economic zone going out to 200. Territorial waters are legally treated as the same as terra firma territory -- all laws are the same. 2.5 miles is well within the

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Version 2 of this page claimed a similar deleterious effect from the September 11 terrorist attacks as the Great Depression and the US Civil War. I suspect that's an exaggeration - either way, it's too early to tell. I'm not claiming that September 11 wasn't a very important event, and I mean no

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National Economy The U.S, lost 2.6 million jobs since March 2001, 26 months ago, and the U.S. needs 100,000 new jobs per month -just to keep up with the population. There is now a deficit of five million jobs. Yet, consumer spending continues. One explanation may be Jobless benefits, for up to a

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I tried to replace the original picture with a .png one large 580 (136kb), and I hope it works well with a 640x480 resolution too (please, let us know), then I tried a .jpg one, still large 580 but 110kb less (19kb). Of course, the .jpg one is evidently less precise. In case this width is agreed,

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Minor nit; I find it more natural in general to proceed from west to east (as north to south, left to right, top to bottom), so I would prefer listing the time zones, which are inherently related to physical areas on the Earth's surface, as "UTC-10 to UTC-5" rather than "UTC-5 to UTC-10". Am I a

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States of America, ie, emphasis on the central united unit with the states as sub-units. It is the same in the European Union (not the European Community, which is a different entity and not merely the old name for the EU as most people think), which is in effect a confederation of independent

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If the "United States of America" existed prior to 1789, who was the President? Who was the Chief Justice? Who was the Speaker of the House or the President of the Senate? The problem comes when you try to specify a single date for the "creation" of the USA, when it happened it fits and starts.

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Those don't really count; knowledge of the new continent did not spread much at that time, and the settlements were very short-lived. In other words, an isolated incident that shares little or no continuity with the widely-known, (so far) permanent awareness and exploitation of the continent by

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No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the

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No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of

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6% is low in terms of both US history and the world at large (it was 14.6% as late as 1940, 8.5% in 1975, 9.7% in 1982, and the recent low point was only 4.0% in 2000 during the boom, the all time low was 1.2% in 1944 — it was last above 6% (6.1%) in 1994, only 9 years ago). 6% is below the

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This is a description of the characteristics of the US economy over the long term and not a description of current statistics I think. Even so, the average unemployment rate for the US from 1960-1995 was around 6% and we are not that far off of that number right now coming out of a cyclical

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No. This is not the widely held conception. The DOI does state "united States of America" but with the u in lower case. It is true that the republic was not created until 1789 (or some may argue the civil war or even never), but the US as a political entity was. It was just a confederation.

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Its status as a republic was not apparent until the South lost the Civil War. (Some states' rights supporters continue to dispute this.) If secession and nullification were legal, it would be considered a confederation. Let's just leave that out and state that it was established in 1776.

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Links are floating over the text because of both the picture width and the data table, but I believe that if the first sentences could be closed into a new table of fixed width (thinner and higher), normal wide text (as large as the picture) could follow readably below the end of right

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the language that laws are passed in, that government services are always provided in (though service in other languages is often provided additionally -- if I spoke only Spanish I'd do just fine at the Social Security office), and that most education is in. Buuut, it's not

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The only part of the Trust still a territory is already on the list. The outer continental shelf lands are underwater and I think the Canal Zone went back to Panama with the Canal in 1999. This isn't the page to list former territories; that should go on the history page.

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I restored the cellpadding of the table, since that makes the table readable, I also made the table width smaller again by improving the size of the cells that hold the images. The width is not determined by the national motto row, maybe it can be put in two rows (using

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While Cunctator is right about "simply editing" in many cases, I must point out that discussing and gaining consensus also has a value. People are more willing to do heavy lifting when they opinion has been heard and considered. For large projects, we need many hands.

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Now, for Tolkien's stuff I did not seek consensus. I just decided on a plan and spent several hours editing everything into the way I wanted it. I could do that because (a) I know something about the topic and (b) I type fast. But I don't know enough about geography.

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Of course there's a country called the United States. It is located immediately south of Canada, as you will find out if you ask any English-speaking Canadian, practically none of whom call it "America" or anything else but the United States or US. Besides, the

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Oh yes, I completely agree with that. But that "United States of America" is not the current "United States of America". That confederation had a different structure, and ceased to exist when the new structure came into existence, despite claiming to be

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The fourth verse of "The Star-Spangled Banner" includes "Then conquer we must/When our cause it is just/And this be our motto, 'In God is our trust'. And the Star-Spangled Banner in triumph shall wave/O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave."

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I'm sorry, I looked wrongly. However, I do now have the objection that "History of the United States" as a section heading is pretty redundant. There's no "External links for (Topic X)" heading either. A "History" only title indeed suggests it's a link to

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system, of which there are a huge variety ranging from heavy immersion into English to keep-the-kids-in-their-safe-native-language-environment-as-long-as-possible. The site I linked above should have a lot of info on this if you're really interested.

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Yes it should -- There is no reason why the USofA gets to be at its full name when every other country is listed at its conventional short form. I will make the move it nobody objects. However, this will require me to first delete the redirect page

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Also Cunc please stop changing the headings -- having the heading titles also as links is not an improvement. We want to emphasize that what is contained on this page is a mere summary of what is at the link -- thus the format that was agreed on.

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From New York to Wisconsin, over 700 miles, the US and Canada are separated by water, often more than 12 miles but everyone thinks of this as a border. And yes Guatanamo is like the Canal Zone was - we rented it while pointing a gun. --rmhermen

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I added some content to this otherwise links page. There really should be more info on this page to cover the highlights of US history, military, people, economy etc. The "subpages" should be reserved for the detailed stuff only, oh well.

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I was not involved in the past discussion. But my understanding is that Knowledge is an ongoing process. I do not think this means that we should constantly be changing conventions, but I do think it is reasonable to revisit this one.

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Hey, I don't really care if you want to make the table less clear. But Demographics is much better than Demography. It's great that's what the template has, but the template should be changed. Consistency isn't as important as quality.

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Europeans sparked by Columbus's failed voyage to India. Since the context is the colonization from which the United States directly grew, there's no point in mentioning the Vikings there; certainly not in a general overview section. --

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America was populated after God changed all the peoples languages. They fled to new countries. The Indians fled to America. This happened about 5,000 years ago. Considering the earth is only about 7 to 8 thousand years old itself.

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I've restored it somewhat since most of the article was now in italic and the table looked chaotic. I don't know how it looks now on the problematic browser, but please let's not save changes that are obviously just tests.

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have differences, and that's OK. If countries with a long and detailed history have a slightly different-looking history section from new small countries, that's fine. Authors should do whatever makes a good article

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As for the introduction page, this is what was usually put on the main country page. Since - I think - we have a good replacement for that, there's no need to keep it. As for the government; this should be covered at

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It's a known fact that USA has participated in various wars. To name a few: Spanish War, World War II, Korean War, Vietnam War and recently War against Terrorism. So, I think it's okay to specify about war. --Ramesh

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OK, so I can learn something from Knowledge as well :-) This should then be explained in the upcoming "demography" section, where of course the rise of the Spanish language should also be mentioned, I suppose.

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more common than just "US" just as "United Kingdom" is more common than "UK" in anything but the most informal of writing. Knowledge is neither formal or informal and our page titles should reflect this.

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However, maybe it's convenient then to drop the "official" from the table, or add a footnote, or else it may be strange for other "ignorant people" (like me). OR is an explanation in the article enough?

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is not the appropriate word - it would imply that only the US is visible now, which is false. Furthermore, the US certainly hasn't overcome all other nations as a collective, but rather as individuals.

731:. As for "demographics", I have to go with correctness over consensus. Again, consensus is a useful thing that helps serve our goals sometimes, but it is not a goal in itself. Correctness is. -- 1412:

The DOI is stating that these united colonies are now free and independent states, implying that they are no longer colonies. It wouldn't make sense for them to remain as "colonies", would it? --

260:"After the European discovery of America by Christopher Columbus in 1492..." -- This is highly debatable as it ignores Viking visits almost 500 years prior. This should be clarified/expanded. 438:

Thanks, though I hope some actual Americans will step in to add to my texts, some of it is pretty lame, I think. This leaves the problem of the naming of the article though - should it be at

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As for Guantanamo Bay, I mentioned this border, because it is also mentioned in the CIA World Factbook. I didn't know the dirty details of it - it's quite like the Canal Zone in Panama then?

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downturn. I would say its a little early to be saying that this characteristic of the US economy has changed drastically enough to re-characterize our overall description of the US economy.

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I'd like to avoid having duplicate lists of the same thing. I'm still not sure how best to split the list, but as I said earlier, I believe its current form is too long for the main page.

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Egil, I took a look at the guidelines and it does appear that holidays has its own section. I believe that the current holiday list is too long to be included in its entirety. How about:

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Guantanamo Bay is a very technical issue as it is Cuban soverignty but U.S. control (rented by U.S.). So I think it is not precisely true to say the U.S. has a land border with Cuba. --

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What you list is just what states are forbidden to do when they are part of the Union. there is nothing there stating that they may not leave. Once they leave, they may do all that.

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as a holiday(!) Finally, someone going to the US looking for a list of holidays, expecting to see one (as (s)he would expect from the Knowledge template), will be disappointed. --

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The entire debate about whether states can leave the union legally is silly. It is 100% illegal. At least not without an act of congress, I suppose... Article I, Section 10:

742:) cast my vote to follow the format at WikiProject Countries, but I think LDC is right on this one. (I should have looked them up earlier): here's this from dictionary.com: 685:

Well reasoned and stated. You have convinced me with a few brief words that could not otherwise be done by unilateral changes. I second the call for a revote on this issue. --

1513:(This is how the South seceded!) It was also believed by some that laws could be nullified. Virginia and Kentucky resolutions? So no, it is/was not necessarily a republic. -- 588:

If a jpeg has text in it, or other sharp lines, the quality factor should be at least 88 to prevent sand. (If your jpeg editor uses quantization tables directly, ask me.) -

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but then you would have the article read "the united states...is a federal republic...created in 1776", when the federal republic we now know wasn't created until 1789...

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I'm well aware that the Constitution was not ratified until 1789, but you are confusing that with the formation of the nation - whatever that name or configuation. --mav

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I did some editing on the policital/government stuff, as I agree this is should not merely be a link site, especially since many of the linked pages only contain lists.

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Can someone add information about actual or fomer territories not included in a state that belongs or has belonged to the USA ?? (apart of what appears in the page ):

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article is the "main" one, in the sense of being central and most comprehensive. Those others I would called "Detailed article" or "Expanded article", I think. --

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gives the name United States as the title of its article on the country in question. I think that's a pretty ostentatious way for a country to be called something.

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Actually, we probably should have an article on the official language issue and the English-only movement, which could be conveniently linked from the table. --

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This problem is still unresolved. "Democratic republic" has a different meaning than (and a meaning perhaps the opposite of) what the words mean separately. --

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I haven't yet moved the CIA intro or gov / pages because I don't know what to name these. How do the gov CIA pages relate to the "politics of" sub articles? --

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And what about the headings? I really, really liked the previous method better. It's just a matter of taste of course, and it looks like we're linking to

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Since the late 20th century it has eclipsed all other nations in terms of relative economic, political, and military power as well as cultural influence.

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The national motto is "In God We Trust", by Act of Congress July 30, 1956. "E Pluribus Unum" is the motto on the Great Seal, which involves a link with

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Ramesh, I dont think the "War against terrorism" is an official war. However, it might be relevant to recognise the war conducted in Afganistan, and Iraq

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are not the same. A federation is a single unit made up of sub-units that have come together to form it, it being greater than the sum of the parts. A

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Someone please move this article back to its correct location. There is no country called the United States. The country in question is called the

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as a source of information, but it's not even vaguely NPOV so you wouldn't want to copy stuff directly out of it even if it weren't copyrighted. --

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Just a curious question about this then: is it possible to go to a school in the US, and not learn English (in theory, not in practice, I hope)?

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I myself am not sure about the former "Transnational Issues", now, "Foreign relations". Isn't this something to put at History and/or Politics?

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Just to remind: the links to all the "subpages" and CIA stuff should also be changed if you do make the change. I promise I won't freak out (c:

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of America (ie, the states were the basic units, the unity a case of some shared areas of interest) while the federation was in effect the

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Now, what width should this table have to be readable in every configuration? Would it be better to move the picture to a separate page?

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Can somebody fix this page? It spans the entire page and fills the right margin so you can't get to the links on the right column. --

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year and people, savings and home refinancing. But, home refinancing may have ended since interest rates have reached a near minimum.

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tell you. However, there is no English-language account under which "United States" is different from the United States of America. -

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states like the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Ireland, etc etc. What are called Euro-federalists want the European Union to become the

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historical average and only seems high relative to the 2000 low point (or if you've been listening to politicians too much lately) .

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and the "What links here" function craps out after the first couple thousand links so that page does not have all the links in it. --

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The 10th Amendment reserves all rights not explicitly forbidden or delegated to the national government to the states. So? --

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Maybe putting "discovery" in the text would help clarifying that it wasn't really a discovery? I otherwise agree with Brion.

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I tried to remove the picture, and it works now. IMHO, that image should be reduced in width or moved to a separate page. --

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The study of the characteristics of human populations, such as size, growth, density, distribution, and vital statistics.

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Repeated vandalism by the same person. The person seems to have given up against his repeated ban, so I will unprotect.

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Seems okay to me. I'm using Mozilla 1.1beta at 800X600 on Windows 98SE, what browser, OS and resolution are you using?

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The characteristics of human populations and population segments, especially when used to identify consumer markets:

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Finally, the 10th amendment is pretty good proof that the Federal government is the primary power, not the states.

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I would imagine that the "Government" and "Transnational Issues" sections would sort of fit under "Politics of". --

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the colonies existed in several configurations, but not under the one now known as the "united states of america"

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Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.

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Also of interest is how Encarta handles it, a series of historical events, but no single date of founding...

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I think that's missing the point a bit. Maybe since the fall of the Soviet Union, the US has been the sole

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So I'd like a consensus to emerge, yielding a set of formulas I can follow whenever I get time to help. --

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Mav, I prefer the separate heading and link as well, but I'm not sure about the usage "Main" article.

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Also, you might want to add Cuba, since that country actually borders the US (!), in Guantanamo Bay.

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disrespect to the thousands who died. It's just that the other events are even more important. --

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7/4/1776 and 3/5/1789 were both key dates for different reasons. Compare with how presented at

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it´s very interesting (i.e., some Acts have references to nowadays or historical territories).

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I'm using IE 6.0.2 and Windows Me. It fills the entire page. How do I do a screen shot? --

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Have a main article called Holidays in the United States, containing the more extensive list.

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a real summary -- people were adding to that section as if it were the history of article. --

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And you are the final arbitrator of quality? I don't recall electing you to that position. I

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Great job to everyone who labored on the new version of the USofA article. It looks great! --

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So, should we state that Russia has a nautical border (or whatever that is called) with US?

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All three were the same country with the same name, but the form of government changed.

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too fat. We shouldn't try to fix this by HTMLing the text -- we need to fix the table. --

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add a new section to the United States page called Holidays. List the top 10 holidays.

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The demographics of the Southwest indicate a growing population of older consumers.

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Yep, there is no official language of the US -- just as you say a de facto one. --

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be a great starter if it were uncopyrighted) and easy to link to from the table.

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ARTICLE I The Stile of this Confederacy shall be "The United States of America".

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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no, the nation was formed when the declaration; just like every other one

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If this is the case, the article should reside at the ultimately lazy

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For the same reason why our article on the former US president is at

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I just want you to know I think the linked headings are better (see

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emphasis in the words. The confederation was in effect the United

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The US article is not entirely in accordance to the template of

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A number of wars in U.S. history have been undeclared wars: the

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as a union between 13 colonies which had broke away from their

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Remove the existing list from the Culture of the United States.

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Well, there's no sense in leaving the information out; English

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That's what I wanted to begin with! :) Please, go ahead. --mav

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Should we still describe the US as having "low unemployment"?

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there is no de jure official language of the United States

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It was established as a federal republic .... Better? --

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German missed becoming the official language by one vote

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Good point. I will think of a better way to do this. --

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Same problem with W98/MSIE6/800x600/Cologne Blue skin.

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for information about the organization of this page.

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The DOI also uses the language "United Colonies"...

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