Talk:United States/Archive 28

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the laws of a democratically elected legislature (Congress) and thus by indirectly (as is the intention in respresentative democracy) the People of the United States of America. Anyone who has violated a law is thereby doing something 'Illegal'. Third, the term 'Alien' refers to a non-citizen of the United States. The term immigrant refers to one who has moved from his homeland to his new homeland with the INTENTION of becoming a citizen of his new homeland - like all the Ellis Island folks did historically. The correct legal term (regardless of the Commerce departments Census Bureau) is "Illegal Alien" the P.C. term is "Illegal Immigrant" and the politically driven term which wishes to skirt the intentions of the majority of Americans by all recent polls and by LAW made by CONGRESS and enforced by the BORDER PATROL through I.C.E. is "migrant" this or that or "undocumented" this or that - so I side with with the correct term "Illegal Immigrant" to be sensitive to the "Aliens" among us who decided it was best to break the law of the People of a Free society. Now back to that vacation thing! --

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current Census Bureau portal with the current POP clock (irrelevant to the article text at that point) and zero information on unauthorized migrants. These errors have been corrected. As for the wording in question, since the topic is that of U.S. demographics, the correct term is one of the U.S. Census Bureau's terms—all of which, despite claims to the contrary, are perfectly standard terms. "Undocumented migrant," in particular, appears in many reference books. As the term most often used by the Census Bureau for the people in question is "unauthorized migrant"--also the term used by the nonpartisan research center that produced what appears to be the most careful estimate of the relevant population--that is the the most applicable and neutral term for our article. There appear to be those who, for political reasons, are unhappy that the U.S. Census Bureau uses this term, but that's an issue best taken with up with the U.S. Department of Commerce or the democratically elected officials who appoint and oversee its officers.—

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interest" groups or the ACLU! The American people use illegal immigrant; that is the vernacular. Knowledge should be a reflection of the language of the time and it should use the terms used by its editors. I use illegal immigrant. Grandpafootsoldier uses illegal immigrant. Black Harry uses illegal immigrant. I don't know about you, but I have a feeling that you don't ofted use the term unauthorized mmigrant outside of this article. Just because the Census Bureau uses unauthorized migrant does not mean that the rest of the American people have to. If the Census Bureau so strongly wants their term used, then they can have someone from their department edit this article the way they want. Because that's what Knowledge is about. Letting the common man phrase things his way. So that we don't get bogged down with overextrapolated terms. And I believe that the common man almost always uses the term illegal immigrant.

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also seem to want to restore verbatim the previous sentence on drug policy and incarceration of minorities, the area I worked on. Are you saying you don't believe it's worthy of mention and demonstration that (a) the U.S.'s overall incarceration rate is the highest in the world, (b) is much, much higher than that of countries that are similar politically and economically, (c) that the rate has been increasing steadily for a quarter-century, and (d) that the continuing increase is essentially unrelated to any change in crime rates? Finally, do you think this information--and related issues--should remain part of the discussion of general demographics, or be placed in its own subsection, like "Language and religion" and "Education and health"? Thanks. Best, Dan—

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that considers the subject matter, it would make much more sense to combine the paragraph on ethnicity and language. This is quite the dilemma: On one hand it makes more sense to put language w/ ethnicity... On the Other hand, putting language togther w/ the paragraph on ethnicity will cause a structurally and esthetically awful section (...that is an uber-long section intro and a TOC w/ no mention of language where the sub-section titles of the demographics section are inconsistent). As for education and religion... it makes far more sense to have education and health together. Merging religion and education makes about as much sense as merging religion w/ language IMHO.

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divide the gross annual income of a given household by the number of members - doing so for all households in the survey should yield the data set needed to calucalte the median. Question is does the US Census Bureau actually do so? Well, they should and I apperantely I assumed that the source above gave a median... I will check w/ Census Bureau to find out whether it's mean or median. PS. I too, would expect the median to be considerably lower... then again, household size often off-sets income gains made by households and dividing the millions of impoverished through the income of the wealthy may yield a non-inflated mean? Anyways, I'll check to see - good catch.

1463:. The matter cannot be effectively dealt with here - Note that there is no detailed description of the history of Puerto Rico & the plebiscites in which Puerto Ricans have repeatedly chosen to remain a Commonwealth, coverage of which would have to be added to give context to the above. Also note that no non-state other than the District of Columbia has a vote in the electoral college, but the article lacks any meaningful discussion of the college as well. In sum, to add your source would require adding at least three other unnecessary & minor points to the article that are already dealt with in the main articles. 5023:

appropriately describes. Substituting this information (as well as citing Bliss itself) much more clearly reflects the significance of evangelical Christianity in the U.S. than did the very narrow trend figure. A closer read of ARIS shows that the growth in Congregationalist/UCC membership is probably largely due to shifts of people from one Protestant denomination to another--arguably not of great enough significance to glance on in this article. The growth of Islam and Buddhism, however, reflect larger trends in immigration and shifts from very different beliefs, and still appear worthy of mention.—

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of the American population is a heck of a lot of people to readers from many other countries. The growing population of evangelicals also clearly does have political significance as BSig says. While, of course, not the sole source of religious conservatism and its effect on American politics, they are an important factor. As for those that have shrunk, the only two faiths over the 1 million line that have shrunk more than trivially are Judaism and Jehovah's Witnesses--each has shrunk less than 10%; simply not on a comparable scale to faiths that have grown by more than 100%

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suggesting that one of the other "United States" are the subject of this article. Another reason to be considered is the fact that "United States of America" redirects here anyway. Why should "United States (disambiguation)" have to exist when what should be the propper title of this article already exists? It simply makes things more complicated that way. What I am suggesting is that "United States (disambiguation)" be renamed "United States", and that this article be renamed "United States of America". What do you guys think? --

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Christians." That seems rather awkward to me. So I calculated the total percentage of white Christians per Bliss--26.3 (evangelical) + 16 (mainline Protestant) + 17.5 (Catholic) + 2.0 (other Christian = 61.8% of the total population. Then 26.3/61.8=42.55% of all white Christians are evangelicals. I believe the expression in the article at present is sound statistically. Again-- the way it seems we'd have to express the plain 26.3% figure strikes me as ungainly. Do you favor it? Other options?—

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denominations. The relative size of the Muslim population is already clearly detailed. As for saying that 20 groups grew while 12 shrank, I don't think that comes close to making the point you suggest it would. We have no way to explain in this article what those groups are, whether they are large or small, et cetera. The data already presented makes quite clear that no non-Christian faith has much chance of ever approaching anything like a majority in the foreseeable future

484:, but in recent days his behavior has become indistinguishable from that of a troll. Corticopia demands "deal with it" (he grants, via his clever li'l Wikilink, the alternative of "shutting the fuck up"). The most effective way to "deal with it" is clear: Ignore him and revert him until and unless he (A) apologizes for his behavior and (B) promises to stop (i) disrupting collaborative work on the article and (ii) disregarding prevailing consensus on its style and structure.— 6377:, they have broken the law to get into this country. Second, the link "unauthorized migrants" goes to an article titled "illegal immigration to the United States", not "unauthorized migration to the United States". Thirdly, calling them unauthorized migrants is just a PC tactic to take the sting out of the fact that there are 20 million illegals living in my country. Yes, I am a right-wing conservative, but that doesn't change the fact that those 20 million people are 31: 4877:

mention - because there is no conclusion or trend to be drawn from such ambiguous responses on a survey. Such details belong more properly in the subarticle. What is missing here instead (though perhaps not a demographic matter) are: how the US was one of the 1st countries with separation of Church & State (it was a kind of experiment to see if it was possible), how this principle is still a source of acrimony & debate. --

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population is not "very small," nor, clearly, is its growth rate of 326%. As of 2001, 1.032 million Americans identify as evangelicals--surpassing a standard benchmark of significance--versus 134,000 Wiccans. ARIS itself lists evangelicals first among groups that "appear to be" the "top three 'gainers' in America's vast religious market place." P.S. Thanks much for all the effort you've been putting into this.—

6800: 5858:"country" remains in the second sentence, and, again, plainly implied by "republic." Note that there are a number of standing issues on the Featured Article nomination page that still need to be dealt with. If you're interested in helping, it would arguably be more useful to try to remedy one or more of the issues raised there rather than dredging up this debate over the order of four words again. 151:- Again, I didn't do the initial delete, just restored it when it was reverted with a less clear explanation than the deleter. Don't care all that much - trying to get a decent notion of how the guideline works. Also, please note that the article length is actually only twice the normal guideline, when measuring only the prose, stripped of templates, references, and wikisyntax, as called for in 5832:

pretty much have the same style in first paragraph (especially in the first sentence). Stating that it is a federal constitutional republic in the first sentence doesn't seem right at all. The USA is a country. There is nothing wrong with putting itself as a country in the first sentence. There is no reason for it not to sound bad or blatant, as all other topics start off the same.

1357:) shows that it (a) offers no data at all on the Hispanic/Latino population and (b) could not even otherwise be used to derive the percentages given in the infobox, as it ennumerates millions of people who reported multiple ancestries, without breaking those down. Does anyone presently involved in the article have an idea about how the infobox percentages were actually arrived at?— 947:), and particularly our unusual devotion to the practice of capital punishment. I see the subsection as two grafs long--(1) a new one covering the crime and gun law topics just mentioned, as well as a brief outline of America's law enforcement system and (2) the current incarceration graf with death penalty coverage added to it. We have excellent articles on 6433:

possible that they define the terms differently and would reach different conclusions if they were measuring the one and not the other. "Illegal immigrants", for instance, would be inclusive of aliens attempting to permanently reside in the country, while migrants seems to imply just the opposite. Restoring original language, not because of some

5645:. The sentence as it read before was so overly simplistic that it seemed out of place, given the language used in the rest of the lead. Personally, I'm in favor of retaining the language that plainly implies that the country is just that, especially since we refer to the United States as a country in two other places in the WP:LEAD. 1057:"African American males are jailed at over six times the rate of white males and Hispanic males at more than double the rate." - also not needed, but instead of "and its disproportionate effect on minority groups" say "which disproportionately effects minority groups" with the cite. As for this being a separate subsection, I agree. -- 343:). I could cite a dozen more such cases, I believe, but there's no need now, is there? I look forward to your specific explanation in each case why you chose to allow things to remain as they were for such a long time. And I also look forward to your explanation of your philosophy: all those botches were in the article for 6702:

That is not how Knowledge is written - we use the most authoritative sources possible. We are not here to spread rumors and fashions; this is not mob-rule - we are striving to be a reputable academic reference! Not a Myspace blog! People say whatevey it is they want to say, but we are trying to write

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Excuse me, but I completely agree with the first post here as well. The use of this term "undocumented migrant" (which I have almost never seen used anywhere else) seems to me to be overly euphemistic and completely POV. I searched the source page that section cites, and have yet to see where it uses

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If you look in the MoS, you'll see that Google hits are not adequate to support an argument here. What matters, as has been previously stated no less than three times if you check the archives, is that the Census numbers cited specifically mention undocumented migrants, not illegal immigrants. It's

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There is another way... you can cacluate the median income per houshold member for each household. When households are asked for the median income they are also commonly asked for the how many persons reside in that households (that's how mean household sizes are calculated) - it is very easy then to

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The way to calculate a mean income for a total population is straightforward--take total aggregate income and divide by total population. The only way I see to calculate a median income for a total population of household members is to take the median income per household ($ 46,326) and divide by the

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It doesn't have to but I am debating as to whether it is more apropriate as it has more information and includes the term country, which is the what the USA is. When you go ask someone what the USA is, they dont say federal constitutional republic. Some might confused to what this, as it is political

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No, I think an admin will settle a dispute. I see many claiming consensus, IN DIRECT OPPOSITION to the FAQ, which clearly states "The most recent major discussion showed a lack of consensus to either change the name or leave it as the same, so the name was kept as "United States". Someone is wrong,

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A group that goes from 0.14% of the population to 0.50% is not the source of this "christian-right moral majority". If the article is going to deal with that issue, this is a very weak start. Saying a group doubled misleads people into thinking something major is happening (like Muslims (or whatever)

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Again, I disagree that the groups are "too small to be a significant trend." The 1 million line is a standard benchmark of significance in this context and in this article specifically--note our infobox that lists all languages spoken at home by a million or more Americans. Remember as well that 0.5%

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Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing it reduced to just the head of state, but barring such a drastic move, it's unlikely that consensus can be reached to strike only one entry for the list, and, of course, it's just the infobox, and it's valid as it stands. Coequal branches of government and all that,

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forum is used - this data was published in '06 and pertains to the year '05. (Beleive it or not median income levels don't actually change that much - sometimes they drop a little, sometimes they rise a little w/ no significant change since 1999) I expect new data for the year 2006 will be avaialable

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So much for the finality of my final note: One last comment - If someone were to replace all the statistics with stats from the 2002 UNDOC source, it would greatly cut the paragraph's impact on the size of the article source, as it would negate the need for at least two other sources on incarceration

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They use consistent, rigorous methodology when surveying different countries. As for incarceration and drug policy, something similar what you wrote would work. Though, it needs to be more concise. (e.g. "and more than triple the rate of the next closest member, the Czech Republic." is not needed)

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The Economy section table provides very, very basic facts about the US economy that would read like a random accumulation of facts if they were put into text. (unless more text to explain them was added w/ the economy balooning in size) It is the most direct and easiest way to convey essential pieces

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There is an ongoing debate over tables & over cities. Some people think tables interrupt the flow. The wiki style gods may disagree but I find paragraphs that could easily be put into tables interrupt the flow much more & it's much harder to know how far ahead to skip if one chooses to do so.

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You left behind an article that claims twelve U.S. citizens have won the Nobel Prize in Literature. The correct and easily determinable figure is eleven. (T.S. Eliot, of course, was born in the U.S. but had been a British citizen for over two decades when he won the prize. You want to count him, you

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All of the material described above is (a) easily verifiable via consultation of any standard reference book and (b) covered in the main text of the article. The words "relevant" and "bona fide" have been used to characterize the specific citation in question. No convincing argument has yet been made

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I have to weigh in on this, even though I'm on a mini-vaction at the moment. First, the term "Illegal Alien" is the proper government term per the agency responsible for the enforcement of our immigration laws which also use this term. Second, such 'migrants' are 'Illegal' because they have violated

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On the one hand, I'm not sure whether to take you seriously or not. You make bizarre claims--e.g., "It is now far more difficult for a visitor to find information on"...Canada?! As if the search box magically disappeared?! If anyone comes to the United States article and is suddenly inspired to read

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Sorry but my definition of lead is different from Knowledge's; i consider the first paragraph to be the lead. However i think it would be better to put country in the first paragraph, then use federal constitutional republic in the third paragraph when the founding of the country is mentioned. And

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The country's name is not explicitly defined as such in the Constitution or in the law. The words "United States of America" only appear three times in the Constitution. "United States" appears 51 times by itself, including in the presidential oath or affirmation. The phrase "of America" is arguably

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Well, Jim has a point and so does Dan. Ethnicity and language are really quite related (definitely more so than religion and language). From an esthetical point of view, however, the section looks much better w/ the language and religion paragraphs together in the same sub-section. From a perpective

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Chief Justice should not be in the government section. Speaker and VP should as they are the heads of the legislaiture of the United States, but CJ, though the head of a branch of government, does not have the supreme power vested in Bush, Cheney, and Pelosi (or shld I say Pelosi and Bush since Veep

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With any luck, I'm leaving for the day. Would someone mind taking the scissors to the bloated cuisine section? Ignoring the fashion paragraph, the cuisine paragraphs alone are currently larger than the popular media and literature sections and most others as well, including the Civil War. I'm not

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Restoring the gun violence and homicide sentence until it can be recreated - The article's better off with it than without it. Note that as far as the dates of the sources go, they're really not that bad - The total incarceration stats haven't changed all that terrible much since 2000. The deleted

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Fixed the grammatical issues. As far as describing Reconstruction goes, I've posted: "These policies, aimed at reintegrating and rebuilding the Southern states while ensuring the rights of the newly freed slaves" but we should continue to mention "Reconstruction" in the preceding sentence, given the

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That presumably non-"verbose" historical summary in the lead you are presumably so proud of instructs us that the colonies "declared their independence by issuing a Declaration of Independence." Why did you choose to let such laughably clumsy English remain in the article? And, having so chosen, how

173:(discussed above). When all fails, citations are preferable to none. And, even at 60K, counting only the prose in an article's length is like reckoning a human to comprise only its skeleton. ;) In any event, it remains too long ... which is probably one of the major hurdles to it being an FAC. 168:

Who did the initial delete, then? I apologise for pointing the finger. As for what may be contestable: the basic constituents of the U.S. (50 states (48+1+1), federal district, insular territories) and their locations; whether or not the last is part of the U.S. proper; its overall location in the

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Yeah - Definitely ought to stay, since that's pretty much all the coverage we have of Canada and makes up a large portion of the Native American coverage. Hard to work that in without having editors throwing NPOV flags one way or the other - Working it into history seems to have worked well. Think

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I've added essential, fundamental information to "Independence and expansion" as efficiently as possible. If necessary, the last two sentences of the first graf--on Crown loyalists and split Native American sympathies--which have been there in some form for a while can be cut, but I think they help

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OK. Though I have to say somethings such as gender roles and the changing face of the American family were completely missing from the article and it was quite difficult to add a mention of these subjects w/o inflating the article. As far as I know, however, these edits only contributed about 2k in

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First of all, "unauthorized migrant" is not overly PC - if it was up to social progressives such as myself we'd be saying "People whose right to reside in the United States has been denied" - or perhaps "poor sons-of-bitches that need our help." (funny, yes?) Unauhtorized migrant is simply term our

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Just a quick note of explanation: I recall copying and pasting the phrase directly out of the source I was working with at that time. It's possible/likely that either the page changed between then and now or that I neglected to update the source after updating the numbers. Either way, I apologize

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to reach FAC status. The FAC comments you've provided dealt with over-linkage, not the complete removal of links to a specific topic in an article ... as is now the case. You maintain that they are 'useless' links; if so, why are those terms in the introduction? The 2nd sentence describes the US

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Not particularly. Moved to second sentence for readability's sake. Saying it's a "country and.... republic" makes it sound as though those are two entirely separate concepts, rather than type and subtype. It'd be entirely different if there were a way to do it "well" as in the UK and Germany, but

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You've got some good points -all of which have been brought up before and are discussed in the archives, CloudNine has pointed out above. Keep in mind, that people are far more likely to look for "United States" and that we don't always use the official but rather the most common names of countries

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Yes, there is a little complication in how to express the Bliss evangelical figure in our limited space. As you can see, they separate out white and nonwhite Christians. So yes, the most direct way to report the finding would be: "A different study identifies 26.3% of Americans as white evangelical

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On the suggested cuts, it might not hurt to remove the .cz and hispanic stat, but I've shrunk down the latter. The 6x rate of African American incarceration definitely warrants a presence in the article, however, to help counterbalance the civil rights section and avoid appearing biased/looking at

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I believe it important to point out some cause for the incarceration rate beyond the war on drugs, given the still fairly high pre-1980 incarceration rate - How that can be best accomplished I'm not certain. In what ways other than those mentioned in the cut sentence does crime in the United States

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Not quite clear on some of the points you're making. The "unacceptable" edit you reference is editor Vranak's cut of a sentence on gun violence and homicide. I gather you want to restore that information. I agree--though it needs to be expressed in hard data and with much more up-to-date cites. You

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I've recently added information on America's exceptional incarceration statistics--building on the little bit that was in the Demographics lead text--but there are a number of other important areas in which the country stands out in the Western world and globally that really need to be covered: our

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Again, I stated my opinion that Corticopia is not a Knowledge troll in the classic sense. However, repeated deliberate gaming of the three-revert rule--which I carefully evidenced--along with turning an entirely normal Knowledge debate into something personal and uncivil with charges of "sophistry"

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You left behind an article that for any non-Wikilink-savvy reader does not give the slightest hint how Florida, and Texas, and Alaska, and Hawaii and, well, most of the United States came to be part of the United States. (Guess they were just sittin' there empty and unloved waitin' for us!) Why did

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Sorry: the only other editor who appears to have even hinted at that explicitly is Mr. Zaius; others have made vague comments which are just that which I can't qualify. A consensus that definitely does not make. Your continued removals may evn be considered to be a Foundation issue. Anyhow, rest

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I can't believe that this is even being argued. Does this mean that all garbage men should be called garbage persons, oh I mean sanitation transportation specialists; or the school janitor–a sanitation engineer; or a gas-station attendant–an end user petroleum-transfer technician; or that Solanum

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that matters in this case is matching whichever source provides the most authoritative number of migrants in the demographics section. To push your special interests by suggesting that we were motivated by anything other than when making the initial edit is patently absurd. Had the Census used the

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I don't know about you, but I often use the term "migrant workers" to refer to the people in question. I also often use the term "people" to refer to the people in question. Wacky, I know. Inspired by you, however, I may start employing the phrase "the common man who crossed the Rio Grande to work

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First off, the relevant coverage in the article was simply wrong, with (a) an estimated range of unauthorized migrants much higher than that given by any authoritative source I've been able to find, (b) the false claim that they are wholly excluded by the census, and (c) pseudo-cites going to the

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Icedevil14: A number of other editors disagree with you, and believe using the word "country" results in a more poorly written article. Note that there is no fixed MoS for country articles – the ultimate goal is to have a number of well written articles, not ~193 identical articles with only minor

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I just dont get why the first sentence differs from most of the other country topics. I read the previous discussion in the archives, and mostly you get the answer that it just "sounds right" or it's in "good style". This doesn't make other topics more of the same. All topics about country should,

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Actually we do vote, since a vote is simply a formal expression of opinion. What we don't due is numeric "I have 51% support I win"-type voting, and we try to avoid using the term vote too much because it tends to be misleading to new editors. But I'm afraid that won't help you, Flag-waving, as it

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ARIS mentions Congregationalsists, Evangelicals & Non-denoms - not sclearly because it indicates a trend, but because survey summaries typically mention the superlatives they have found (It also seems poorly structured to twice mention some denoms that have doubled - and there is no mention of

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of the citation certainly is, but its application absolutely is not. Suggestions that any matter of fact, no matter the ease of its verifiability and the fact that it has provoked no challenge, must be cited at each and every appearance of it in Knowledge are obviously baseless. The statement made

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mmm... wise decision. Why didn't I think of that when I added that info! (darn it! :D) But please leave the figures for academia in the article, as its political ideology differs from that of the general public to a significant degree. Acadmia is hugely important to creating public policy - it is

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The Census Bureau uses precise terms that it defines. If they produce a statistic about "unauthorized migrants" then we shouldn't change that term to the term we think they should have used. However when we're talking about illegal immigration in general terms, then writing the most commonly-used

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It's good style because it's not nearly so overly simplistic as saying "X is a country" and, more importantly, is necessary to properly match the rest of the sentence: "comprising fifty states, one federal district, and fourteen territories." The matter has been thoroughly discussed, and the word

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The title isn't. Way to fire off a snide, absolutely useless reply though. The next step is to enlist the aid of an admin. Repeatedly insisting that you're right because you're right means nothing, and isn't the least bit relevant. We can either be civil and deal with this as adults, or I can

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Jim, in your response to your edit summ "still problems - Evangelical very small - Wiccan increased much more," I quote your observation above that "small changes in small groups produce disproportionate percentage changes - which are not of much relevance to the U.S. as a whole." The evangelical

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Language & Ethnicity hang together much better. Separating them (as at present) leads to repetition & incompleteness. The only reason I can think of to combine Language & Religion into one heading is to prevent either from growing too large. I think putting religion & urbanization

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The point, I think, hinges on the U.S.'s essential and distinctive form of tripartite government. In most other Western countries, the jurisprudential system is ultimately subservient to the executive and/or legislative branches of government. In the U.S., it has equal and effectively independent

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Over the last twenty four hours, no less than 9K was added to the article, and only 3k removed. A good number of the edits were positive growth, including the citation of previously unverifiable paragraphs. However, do try to stay as close as you can to a 1:1 addition:deletion ratio, to at least

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Well it is a bit odd to merge race and religion into one demographic and mention white evangelicals as the largest religious demographic. But it's ok; until another source pops up to give us an overall % of evangelicals. The current format sufficies for now (especially at mid-night :-)) Regards,

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With Congregational & Evangelical we are dealing with about 0.5% of the poplulation each - a group too small to be a significant trend worth drawing to the attention of, for example, Australians. The Non-denominationals rose over 1000% are 1.2% of the population & they still do not merit

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As we pore over the data and try to figure out what's the most appropriate way to summarize the most important information--your point about Wiccans, for instance, is clearly well taken--let's try to assume, yes, good faith, and avoid making unhelpful, and I believe unfounded, assumptions/claims

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And if DCG et al. insist on specificity in the lead (per FAC commentary, allegedly) regarding the number of U.S. territories and nonconsensual, imprecise phrasing regarding the '2 commonwealths, Puerto Rico and Northern Mariana Islands' as opposed to the 12 other territories, I will continue to

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The title of this article should be changed to "United States of America" for several reasons, one of which being that "United States" is a very general term which can refer to many things. The subject of this article is the United States of America. For this article to have that title could be

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I doubt it's 43% - 26.3% seems right. I do think that ethnicity & language are a much better match than ethnicity & religion. The second largest lanugage in the US is directly related to the hispanic population (an ethnicity) - I don't think I actually need to point out the relationship

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Final note - Barring access to 2005 stats for all OECD members to verify the comparative stats, we should stick with the 2000 incarceration numbers throughout the section for consistency's sake - The change between 2000 and 2005 was relatively trivial compared with the change from 1980 to 2000.

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specifically indicates to source information that may be challenged. The breadth and diversity of U.S. constituents would seem to justify sourcing and, this content was discussed at length. You also seem to be insistent on removing citations from the lead, really with no or conflated basis in

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An encyclopedia is not what happens "when you go ask someone". "Federal constitutional republic" is an accurate, more descriptive term; we introduce the political boundaries (states) in the latter part of the sentence. We assume people know what a republic is (and if not, it's just a link away

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above that the third paragraph in the lead is "completely unsourced" is confounding--the paragraph is a summary of material covered in the main text. In standard lead format, it requires no citation at all. The citation in question and demands for more in the lead are clearly out of order, per

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maintain the current size. A lot of the main articles linked to from here could use expansion and attention as well, if you feel the need to add something to an already lengthy topic. That said, I think we're still doing reasonably okay. Will try to recalculate the prose length this morning.

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I see your point, but it is the most accurate description. I suppose you could use the term "country" though I think most people knwo the US is a country and can, therefore, figure out that federal constutional republic is a term describing a country. Let's see what other editors have to say.

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made me realize that we were referring to "evangelicals" in the article just as ARIS does--those self-describing as "evangelical" without specifying a denomination. Of course, the number of people who identify and are commonly referred to as "evangelicals" is much greater, as the Bliss report

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Hardly much comment necessary at this point; just the facts. Fellow editors, Corticopia has engaged in repeated edit warring. In the past four days, four different editors have been compelled to revert his single-minded edits: myself, Black Harry, Mrzaius, and JimWae. Corticopia has had to be

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from the government talking about unauthorized migrants? Whenever people are discussing this issue, they use the term illegal immigrants. The media uses the term illegal immigrants. Most politicians use the term "illegal", unless they are attempting to cater to the illegal immigrant "special

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Well, just to give my two cents worth, the reason evangelicals need to mention here is not just because of their growth rate and population but because of the political "christian-right movement" they represent. Evengelicals have come under the socio-political spot-light and are therefore a

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I believe we need to add a subsesction under Demographics titled "Crime and punishment" or something similar. I gather there's been some pressure to restrict the TOC, but given the enormity of our topic, I believe the TOC at this point is remarkably concise and can well bear this addition.

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I'd object less to adding "The country is" to the second sentence than trying to work the word into the first one. On the archives, they're easy to miss on a page that's archived as frequently as this one. Could be worse, though. Check out the frequency with which they've been archiving

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My main concern was that when the graphic is dropped down to avoid the squeeze mentioned above, it bleeds into /* Environment */ at a high resolution. Might want to just consider cutting one of the three images, as there doesn't appear to be a clean way to make it readable at both high WS

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before you alone decided to remove them -- i.e., with no modicum of consensus -- is no cause to part with them now. Anyhow, despite sophistry, no convincing argument has been put forth to justify the removal of citations either. Until then, I will continue to restore. Prune elsewhere.

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Quizimodo: The linked wikiproject does dictate specific language in the first sentence. While interesting, it doesn't change anything concerning the trivial matter of whether to water down the first sentence by moving "country" up a handful of words. May we consider that matter closed?

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No, giving the facts--properly contextualized by the other facts we provide in terms of trends and overall percentages--isn't likely to mislead. We might clearly (and, of course, efficiently) state that the population of self-described evangelicals remains rather small compared to other

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The word "slavery" appears in the article five times, including in the lead historical summary; the word "slave" (or "slaves") appears eleven times; the word "enslaved" appears once. Please consult a dictionary for the meaning of the words "completely" (yes, we know, "all but") and

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Well it all depends on what "this" is. If "this" is your disruptive set of changes, it definitely will go away. If "this" means your hilarious joke--"And again this is not a revert" (and from someone who whined about "sophistry"!)--you're absolutely right. We'll never forget your

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I put recent polling data in the Government/politics section a few days ago. I think it makes more sense there--as does the discussion of geographical political tendencies. Not that they aren't part of culture, but we do recognize (as is standard) general political as a distinct

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Yes, it is a per-article decision. The word country appears in the second sentence and the description in the first sentence implies that the US is a country. It becomes more than clear to any "casual" reader that the US is a country during the first two lines of text. Regards,

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the term federal constitutional republic is one which many people might not be familiar with. Perhaps the word "independent" could be inserted before the phrase. Or country could be used in the lead, with federal constitutional republic going somewhere later in the article.

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tweaks to demographics & geography sections, infoboxes, et al. In terms of flow, describing it as a republic works quite well, giving us a way to go from the number of states and territories to a more general description of its geography. They are plainly related topics.

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You broke the law. Now you'll be forced to deal with the consequences. Perhaps instead of throwing around baseles accusations from the veil of anonymity, you'll seek dispute resolution like you suggested I do. Stop breaking the law and you won't have to worry about it.

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sure what to cut, but surely some of it can be moved to the main article, if it's not already there. Seems unbalanced, and probably plays considerably into complaints like Tony1's sign off on the FAC debate. Wouldn't hurt to shrink the culture section by 1/3 all around,

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where horizon of society is widened. Thus, when acadmia's political orientation differs from that of the overall public by such a large degree, both figures need to be mentioned. Othewise readers will falsely assume that American acadmia is ca. 41% conservative as well.

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That lead summary you presumably favor over the current "verbose" version also tells us that the U.S. "exert...dominant influence." Why did you choose to let such painfully awkward (yet easily correctable) phrasing remain in the article's lead for the long time that you

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Your argument that things should remain in the article because they've been there a long time is a striking one, and deeply intriguing philosophically. Why don't we take a closer look at a few things you allowed to remain in the article for a long time...in some cases a

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has the same weight as any other justice's, the power to (a) chair the court's conferences, (b) set the agenda for certiorari petitions, and (c) choose the author of the court's opinion in all cases in which the CJ is in the majority make it much more than just a

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length. I think a lot of the growth comes from additional cites - afterall refs constitute quite a large share of this article's length. Anyways, I agree the remove/add ration stay below 1:1. I look forward to seeing the latest length calculations. Regards,

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Much more relevant - but so far I see 26.3% as evangelical -- not 43%. So language, ethnicity & religion could "hang together" as a section. Immigration, specifically Asian, is also mentioned by ARIS as a reason for the increase in #s of non-religious

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You left behind an article from which a schoolchild would conclude that all animal names--Buffalo, Bison, Bald Eagle--are capitalized. Why did you choose to let such egregious and plainly improper style remain in the article for the long time that you

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All the other %s are of Americans. Few would care what % of white Xns are evangelical, the expected & more relevant figure is % of Americans - article is about USA, not about White Xns. THe 26.3% figure is easier to compare with other figures too

1556:, and I agree is is more detailed. It was made verbatom from the Köppen climate map in my college geography textbook. I will "re-create exactly the samw map in a PNG format, so it is more crisp and looks better for the climate section. Sound good? 2535:

IF it's worth saying agnostics & Jews declined the most (which is more than half false), (also Baptists declined more in % terms), it is also worth mentioning that some 12 groups declined in actual numbers while other groups more than doubled in

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differ from from other developed nations/OECD members? Also, I'd urge that they be dealt with as briefly as possible, given the presence of the primary articles on the general topic. The general terms of the cut sentence did that fairly well, IMHO.

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You left behind an article that describes the "Great American Novel," the "comic book," and "Disney's animated films" all as "genres." Why did you choose to let such obvious mangling of the English language persist in the article for as long as you

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will soon be the majority...), Saying 20 or so groups doubled puts into perspective that not all can soon become the majority - and the degree of volatility these denominational categories have -- as does saying 12 groups shrunk numerically --

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Article says Agnostics had largest decline & does not mention Wiccan (which rose 1575%). I doubt the value of most of the data in the article - seems denominations are mentioned just to satisfy editors who want their religion mentioned.

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I believe that the title should be changed to "The United States of America" since that is my country's official name as clearly stated in the Constitution "...do ordain and establish this Constitution of the United States of America."

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You 've just made your third revert of the day. I'm making my second now. Want to keep going, or do you want to find support from other engaged editors for your unique postion? P.S. Is the reference to "sophistry" a compliment or an

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Actually, it appears I do. All recently engaged editors have either explicitly supported the cite's removal or accepted the removal without qualification. At the moment you stand alone and on the verge of violating the three-revert

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we're running out of things to cut, although I do look forward to getting a chance to read through the new culture section. Might be a sentence or three uncovered in the main that can be moved, but I haven't really looked yet.

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Based on the Census report noted earlier, I'd agree that "unauthorized migrant" is probably the right term to use. I'd just note that, 1) the phrase I changed was "undocumented migrant," which isn't an official designation, and

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I don't care what this source says, "unauthorized migrant" is ludicrous. It is like calling a bank robber an "unauthorized withdrawer." It should be illegal immigrant, and I am certain a source could be found to use the term.

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demographic worth mentioning. The ongoing debates over the seperation of church and state as well as creationism vs. the truth (evolution ;-) should mentioned here as well... then again this article is already long. Regards,

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The Abraham Lincoln assassination after war radicalized Republican Reconstruction policies, which ended in the Compromise of 1877 over the disputed 1876 election, leading to Jim Crow laws which disenfranchised the newly freed

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Verbiage aside, your recent edits to the lead have made sourcing it even more important, since the notion that the U.S. is comprised of (among other things) 'fourteen territories' is arguably uncommon knowledge and requires

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Why is the simplistic, common sense description of the location of the US in the LEAD cited? Doesn't matter all that much - Only removed the cite this morning because it had been done once before and didn't see anything in

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this phrase (perhaps you would care to provide a direct link). The argument you put forward for why they supposedly use it is also nonsensical, as it seems you are saying that the term migrant implies that all 20+ million

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in this article. It is now far more difficult for a visitor to find information on these topics (by not being able to merely click on them), and perhaps that is symptomatic as to why this article isn't a featured one.

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You left behind an article that mentions the War of 1812 but doesn't say who it was fought against. Why did you choose to let such a glaring, rather ridiculous, omission remain in the article for the long time that you

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Great study! Extremely interesting! If I have the time I may start an entire article on Political ideology and religious affiliation in the US. (Afterall, I haven't written a full-length article since January) Regards,

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The images are another style issue that depends to a great extent on the reader. I personally find a lengthy article intimidating and dull without the color and interruption of periodic graphics, including the tables.

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That's exactely the point behind them. There are certain key figures that need to be mention in this and not the sub-articles, that can either be placed in a "disguised list" paragraph or an easy-to-read infobox.

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or, in lieu, will add the omnibus citation as before. And again this is not a revert, but rectification of a poorly worded and unsupported statement not arrived at through any consensus. This is not going away.

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standing, even though its head may not have practical power equivalent to that of the chief exeutive and the heads of the legislature. Under the U.S. constitutional system, John Roberts is a head of government.—

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Found another good academic source that--clearly basing its analysis on the Bliss study--estimates the total number of U.S. evangelicals while offering a useful discussion of the isssues of definition. Entered

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In the demographics section, I changed unauthorized migrants to illegal immigrants. It was shortly changed back and labeled as "conservative POV". First off, how is that a conservative point of view? They are

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I wasn't directly asking the question whether it's a country or not. I was just wondering why the article doesn't say it's a country in the first sentence like ALL OTHER COUNTRIES IN WIKIPEDIA! Fair answer..(

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Good point, though I would like to keep this up on the talk page for a couple of hours in case anybody else wants to weigh in on the issue. Personally I am still in favor of retaining the current wording.

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Gun violence and homicide rates, compared to other developed countries, is notable and should be mentioned. The UNODC source is the most authoritative, with most recent survey results available for 2002.

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I'd rather see tables than paragraphs that are just boring, disguised lists - such as in the religion section - especially when I want to go back to find a detail - and it's buried in there somewhere --

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I'm working on a 12" iBook, running Safari full-frame. Putting the climate map back where it was, it (a) lines up with the second, nonclimatological graf in the section, and (b) squeezes (I almost wrote

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I didn't say they were the sole source of the "christian moral majority" movement but that this group is indicative of the movement (which is why this demographic has such a high profile in the press).

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Who the hell decided that food and clothing should go together? They should each have their own section, or at least rename the section as 'culture', and put other 'culture' topic in there as well. --

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I am not saying all country topics should be identical. But when I do edit a country's topic, with the same good style (on the first sentence), it gets reverted back. That's what I dont understand.

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Actually, there were a fair number of calls for condensing things a touch, but I haven't seem many calls for large cuts, 'cept for one calling for axing a large portion of the Demographics section.

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that box, you'd see that the group customarily referred to as "illegal immigrants" constitutes just one of three different groups of people counted as "unauthorized migrants." Thanks for playing.—

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are both linked to in the last sentence of the demo section - Was the commenter correct that those links are adequate in and of themselves, and the shrunk-down largest cities table should be axed?

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The US is being brought before International Court over the banning of democracy to the citizens of Puerto Rico. Basically because they are banned from being able to vote for the US president.

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article to give us a central place to link to from here, rather than having to have a paragraph covering drug policy, but that article could use a lot of work/expansion, if anyone's interested.

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high homicide rate, our liberal gun laws (whose constitutional basis a U.S. Court of Appeals just reaffirmed by overturning a restrictive local law for the first time in decades--see, e.g.,

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The median income figure for 2006 is wrong - the one listed is for 2005 (and was reported in 2006). The rest of the data in that box is probably a year old as well, but I haven't checked.

6768:. Anyway, we're an encyclopedia; not what most people say. Whatever term the source uses, we use. How do we know they count migrant workers and illegal immigrants as one and the same? 1638:

To Golbez-- just my standard response to your standard response-- if you think that the name of this article should depend on the names of other articles then you should go get the

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I'm unsure what the challenge is. While the description may be common sense, it has required collaboration from numerous editors over time to achieve it. I find it ironic that you

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small changes in small groups produce disproportionate percentage changes - which are not of much relevance to the U.S. as a whole. More relevant is the roughly 10% drop in % of Xns

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country articles, including this one (which seems to diverge from the project in a number of ways), and contents (including the introduction). Personally, I'm rather perplexed by

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are major economic partners and the US shares a colonial past with the former (not to mention many other things). What is obvious is that little thought has been given to the

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better explain your ennumeration method, 'cause it's not simply American "citizens.") Why did you choose to let this error remain in the article for the long time that you did?

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Look, I don't think it matters what the Census Bureau calls them. What should matter is what a majority of the public refer to them as! When is the last time you heard someone

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Why don't we rename the article "USA"? Well, for one, because you are wrong. "United States" is much more common than "USA." Try a Google search. Ahh...see? Now, try a Google

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Like, what are you talking about? I have fully explained the reasons for my edits and corrections of your badly worded, unsourced content, with only gibbering and continued

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long time. You withdrew from regularly editing the article after May 18. Let's examine some elements of the version of the article you left behind in apparent contentment (

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household income provided by the source--$ 63,344--and divide by 2.6, we get $ 24,363, much closer to a good hit.) I don't see how the figure of $ 24,672 can be a median.

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Some people also seem to think who made what movie in 1915 is far more important in a country article than anything about cities - in which 79% (?) of the people live--

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policy, while supporting a verbose synthesis with little sourcing in the form of the third paragraph. Also, given the fact that these citations were in place for some

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a ridiculous circumlocution, and 2) edit summaries to the contrary, the footnote in existence at the time did not point to that or any other term. It looks fine now.

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Indeed, I feel there should be more coverage of religion in the history section. Not only the historical significance of the separation of church and state, but the

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a terribly long while--therefore, you believe they should be restored, right? Your answers, I'm sure, will shed much light on your devotion to your little pet cite.—

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an encycolpedia! We don't publish the "word on the street" but the concepts used by our sources. Here our source is the US Census Bureau. The US Census Bureau does

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articles for a reason. Try to maintain a minimal summary here, without increasing length. The topics you mention are dealt with at length in the linked articles.

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This article all but completely glosses over slavery and the large role it played in the United States, with only cursory allusions to its existence being given.

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that seemed relevant, but I'm curious: Is the section directly paraphrasing Bartleby's? If so, is it safe to assume that that could be fixed with relative ease?

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It is significant, but not, I think, in the context of a general encyclopedia article on the U.S. In a religion- and/or polling-specific article (and we do have

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With the exception of the first, every one of these miscues, blunders, and outright errors was in the article when you dropped in for a little edit on March 3 (

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Passel, Jeffrey S. (2006-03-07). The Size and Characteristics of the Unauthorized Migrant Population in the U.S.. Pew Hispanic Center. Retrieved on 2007-06-24.

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Take your pick, but considering you've no consensus to support removal of citations that have been in place for months, I am not the one who will be yielding.

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You may be of the opinion that "undocumented migrant" is a "ridiculous circumlocution," but the Census Bureau does not share your opinion. You are wrong--it

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Because we would have to change Germany to the Federal Republic of Germany and Mexico to the United Mexican States to be consistent. Also, from the FAQ:

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Yeah, the and was confusing. I see no problem with using country in second sentence. Waiting to see how long until someone complains about it though

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The first sentence sounds fine to me: I agree that little would be served by changing it, and I merely pointed out the project since nobody else did.

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If there is no official standard first sentence that each country article has to abide by, then why does the article of other countries, for example,

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What, you think an admin will move it without consensus, because you asked? Or do you think an admin will deal with me because I disagree with you? --

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included in this article is not very accurate. Could someone make a new one based on a reliable source (rather than just a copy of a copy of a copy)?

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Language is lumped in with ethnicity for the table (reasonable), but lumped in with religion for text (less reasonable). Any good reason for this? --

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Your overall suggestion here that there was a problem in angle and emphasis is well-taken. Focus now on major shifts and groups of significant size.

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and the statement above that the numbers include illegal immigrants and two other subgroups of unauthorized migrants. It is not ludicrous, it is "

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This article already has a quite lengthy history section that deals with the topic in several places. In depth coverage is provided at the linked

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use the term "illegal." The demographics section uses US Census Bureau data and thereby needs to use the same vocabulary as the US Census Bureau.

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In light of the above discussion I've added country - simple enough and the standard for wikipedia articles on countries around the globe. See

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Blocked both IPs involved in the discussion for one week for multiple legal threats. Apparently I'll be hearing from his attorney in 48 hours.

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The present text arrangement seems most helpful for structure (and reasonably reasonable), so infobox now split to follow that for consistency.

5226:(just like the CIA factbook). For example, our article about Deutschland is titled "Germany," not "The Federal Republic of Germany." Regards, 5213: 810:

of information to the reader in as few words as possible. BTW: I have left a comment explainig the need for these infoboxes on the FAC page.

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exactly did you summon up the chutzpah to criticize another version of the summary, one composed by editors fluent in the English language?

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an "official designation," just a less common one than "unauthorized migrant." Please see, for example, the following official documents:

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as well, each essential to understanding American history and the present-day character and influence of Christianity in the country. The

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Great. Yes, there was something funny with the citation syntax around there, but all resolved now. Excellent fact sheet you came up with.—

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Thank you, I've been archiving this talk pages for several months now and didn't know there were standard archiving templates. Regards,

6204:." No--actually we've thought about making life far more difficult for them! Please, mate, exercise a little thought yourself next time. 6047:

It's a per-article decision. I'm not sure why you're asking this on the United States talk page. Take it up with the specific editors.

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I strongly agree with the above statement. And for the record, a google search for "unauthorized migrants" turns up 31,000 results (

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This isn't the first time it's been brought up. The change away from "country" to a more descriptive text was recently discussed.

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To FWAP: I used to think that the name of the country was "United States of America", but now I think that "of America" is just a

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I realize the article is semi-protected as a FAC but the defense budget description here needs to be 470 billion, not 470 million.

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What makes you think there's an official standard first sentence that each country article has to abide by? The first sentence of

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Still isn't it much less powerful than the Speakership, Vice Presidency? Is he really a "leader" of the country like the other 3?

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assured I will be back in a day and will continue to re-add citations that you alone have removed after months. And that's all.

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I don't think it matters what the Census Bureau calls them. What should matter is what a majority of the public refer to them as

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a country! You also indulge in the most cliché sort of Wikislam: "What is obvious is that little thought has been given to the

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and since it's quite clear to me that you and others aren't willing to examine the issue further, an admin will deal with that.

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just a prepositional phrase that describes the location of the United States and is not actually part of the country's name.

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cautioned on three seperate occasions in the past three days that he was verging on a 3RR violation on this article alone (

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Political status is too complicated to be dealt with in one sentence in a paragraph that otherwise deals with geography

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1) Sign your posts 2) the term "unauthorized is used by our source and will, therefore, be used in the text. Regards,

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Again, note that I'm really asking here - I'm neither in favor of or against moving or removing the remaining tables.

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The US Census Bureau -the government agency with the highest authority on matters pertaining to "Demographics"- does

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Thanks for the support! I'm changing it back to illegal immigrants. I would rather not start an edit war over this.

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use the term "illegal immigrant;" thus this article should not use the term either. BTW: I like Dan's new term ;-)

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is pretty much useless, but still). The CJ has the mostly same power as the rest of the court. Its mainly a title.

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Tensions increased, not over who would win a debate over states rights, but because of stakes involved, including:

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The source does not state that it is a median--when unstated, the general assumption is that an average is a mean.

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On the other hand, you have pointed out an excellent, indisputably high-quality link that I had no idea existed:

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But I thought perhaps the usage above may justify a template on its own. If you're interested, please discuss at

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denoms that have actually shrunk numerically) The article will not suffer by dropping these burdening details --

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By "vote", I mean get a sampling of what various users believe on the talk page as I have seen on other pages.

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The first sentence states the US to be a federal constitutional republic-which implies that it is a country.

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source, the US Census Bureau, uses. We may agree or disagree with it - but that is really quite irrelevant.

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I would expect the median to be substantially different from the mean, but the difference is less than 2%.

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on the FAC discussion called for the Largest Cities, Economics, and Demographics tables to be removed, as

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as demonstrated above in this discussion, but to match the high quality, verifiable, government source.

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Great. And thanks for the specific sourcing lead and concrete suggestions for summary style. Best, Dan.—

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I agree. Plus i think the person who started this thread should get a lil credit for bringing this up

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4. It is significant that the number refusing to answer has risen so much - puts perspective on survey

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DCGeist: observations from one or two editors are just that, and this article appears to have failed

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Econ & Demo - Should what remains of both be moved to the main articles, if not already present?

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I really can't and won't respond to your diatribe above, which seems to not only be rather verbose,

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about Canada, it's hardly a problem. We don't link the word "country," either...but, OMG, the U.S.

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argument from you in response. You have failed to address the points above. So, deal with it or

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may be of interest to our audience, who barely bear thinking about, they're going in! Thank you.—

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tables interrupt an article less than many of the images do - especially those left side images--

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tuberosum and Low Erucic Acid Rapeseed oil thermo processing engineer should be used instead of

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Personally I agree with MrZaius -if it isn't clear from the above- to keep the current wording.

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Well the article for every country I looked up does explicitly use the word country in the lead

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Oh...we're looking for him...and when we find him...well, I don't want to say too much, but oh,

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in the stats forum in July or August - but don't look for any significant change ;-). Regards,

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you choose to allow such remarkable omissions from the article for the long time that you did?

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anyway). The third paragraph is a summary of the United States' history, not of its politics

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seem content to remove in direct contravention of policy, and to make other edits I choose.

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says the offical legislative and Border Patrol term for them are "illegal aliens"; however

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Actually, we aren't considering this article for 'correction'. It is correct already. --

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The significant facts are those mentioned by ARIS - not so much the ones in this article

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Knowledge:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Disruptive Edits and Uncivil Comments

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The latter I believe. The previous IP is on his last warning after a legal threat.

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Baptists & Rastifarians declined more than agnostics. Wikkan had largest growth

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instance of these terms/topics be linked, per the MOS. 'Canada' is not linked to

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1. It is significant that the vast majority are Xn, yet that that % is declining

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If you're talking about the Civil War section, keep in mind that we have lengthy

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as being next to these bodies, and has significant frontiers with each of them (

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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2. It is significant that less than 4% of those stating a religion were non-Xn

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It would be far more appropriate to deal with in the Puerto Rico article &

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I'll endorse that as well - makes for better structure in second sentence. --

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Just looking at Central California I have to agree. According to the map the

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to complete (summarily, of course) the picture of the revolutionary period.—

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Just saw the recent c/e of the respective section - looks great! Good job.

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3. It is significant that the number stating no religion has risen so much

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is unacceptable. The following would be more concise than what you added:

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economic - southern fears that slavery would be made illegal in states too

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doesn't even redirect to this article; it's its own disambiguation page.

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Yeah, MJ, and if you could spare fifteen seconds out of your busy day to

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in my country are just itching at the chance to leave (don't I wish). --

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This does not give reasons to why all other Country topics in Knowledge (

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the world through rose-colored glasses. On a related note, I wrote the

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Anyone want to write about US being brought before International Court?

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Though, capital punishment is notable and worth mentioning, as well. --

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political power - South losing it as North grew & gained majorities

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in the article--were Wikilinked. I agree--I continue to believe, like

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is a source of heated argument, and is largely responsible for a high

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that should make summary style and good sourcing very easy. Thoughts?—

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Yes I took the info from the 2000 Census - but have replaced it with

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Insofar as any treaty is binding. Keep in mind, this one we haven't

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Which is why we need to stick with the term used by our source!

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United States is fine. At any rate, we don't vote on Knowledge;

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You're not the first to ask...The FAQ page covers this question

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07:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC) -- OR Education & Religion ...--

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Yes, sounds good but are your sure that your textbook has the

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North America, Atlantic Ocean, Pacific Ocean, Canada, Mexico,

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They both did - The UN Charter is a legally binding treaty.

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for not using a harder source ala Brendel's to begin with.

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In addition, the claim is simply incorrect. While the CJ's

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Ethnicity infobox in Demographics section improperly cited

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average number of people per household--approx. 2.6 (see

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I'm not convinced the source being used for this figure (

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for details from other editors on Corticopia's behavior.—

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oritentated, which is discussed in the third paragraph.

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i was totally unaware of the first discussion on this

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Puerto Rico voting ban lands US in international court

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My concern is small, semantic, yet vexing: Did the UN

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Nondenominational \2(also included as Xn, despite...)

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The term Illegal Immigrant is the most informative.

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phrase "illegal immigrants," it would have gone in.

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And there's the legal threat. Since I'm an admin, I

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about other editors' supposed ulterior motivations.

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