Talk:University of Florida Taser incident/Archive 2

2020:, the man in the suit is clearly not wearing sunglasses, nor did the gesture occur after his microphone was cut. And, as is apparent from the Gainsville Sun video, he accompanies the "throat-slitting" gesture with the word "cut" (I can't read lips very well, but at least that word is clear). Then, seconds later, his microphone is cut. It's very common to signal "cut their mic" with this gesture. So, unless there is an actual sunglasses-wearing man who performs the same gesture at nearly the same time, and who isn't in any of the six videos of the event linked at the bottom of the article, I assume the description was just inaccurate, and 2174:... what is the long term notability of this event? We all seem to feel it is notable in some way, but is it really? I suppose what I am asking is this: are we reacting to the fact that it was considered highly notable at the time, when in reality it ended up not being all that notable. If the only thing we can think that gives this event notability is that it resulted in a brief popularity of the catchphrase "Don't tase me bro"... I am not sure that this is really of enclyclopedic value. (seriously, when was the last time you saw a "Don't tase me bro" Tee shirt or heard reference to it?). Surely there must be 2923:"Free Speech" doesn't mean that you can just shout down a discussion out of turn in a planned, organized, ticketed event. There were people waiting in line to ask questions when the question period closed. Others ran out of time and couldn't ask questions as well. He thought he was too important to even try to wait in line. He wasn't at the event itself, he came in late. He caused a problem at the door, and mislead the security at the door to gain entrance to the event well after it started. He was already being escorted out for disruption prior to Kerry interjecting to allow him to ask his question. 31: 944:

the sarcasm note to guide him. It's a nice aid. I say keep it. To User:Slide Maintenance, I would say that absolutely no one who watches the videos would ever disagree that Meyer was being sarcastic when he said thank you to the police officers he was being sarcastic. It's not subjective, it's a fact. If it wasn't, as is the case with the Kerry question, then we wouldn't put it in, which we haven't.

969:(implies an attempt to be amusing or provocative by saying usually the opposite of what is meant) but I still think that "Didn't you want to be president", to a man who is know to have wanted to be President most of his life is sarcasm (sarcastic implies an intentional inflicting of pain by deriding, taunting, or ridiculing). What about "You spent a lot of time talking to us here today"? 205:

So if Tasers are banned, all that remains are hostile weapons. (And don't quote that BS Wiki Article about Taser Controvery... thats simply abuse of tasers, or police not being educated on propper use. There are additional complications with weak hearts, high electrolytes, pacemakers... but when you have how many deaths due to "police brutality" tasers are a gift.)

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start rioting... it can't be ARGUED if he INTENDED to start a riot but the consequences of his actions would LIKELY cause one. THAT is why Meyer was Tasered so quickly, and if this information about requiring six officers to subdue him is accurate I don't see the problem. Which is greater? The safety of the officers or the safety of Meyers Bowels?

496:- The Miami Herald's being a notoriously right-wing newspaper notwithstanding, any newspaper editorial can say anything it wants. I don't know what proof they have that it was anything other than what it appeared to be, but, yes, if it seems necessary to repeat their conjecture, it should be stated who said it and in what context. 314:). Meyer had a verbal exchange/confrontation with a female student. Following this exchange, Meyer allegedly told an unidentified friend "that he should go to the Kerry Speech and he would really see a show" (quoted from the summary, not directly from Meyer). I don't know if "staged" is the correct wording, as 2904:

Not true, it clearly states that the police were arresting him for 'inciting a riot'. Have you actually seen the youtube videos? Just by the way, was he not using his constitutional right to exercise free speech?.. I thought the police took an oath to preserve and protect your constitutional rights..

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OK... "Don't tase me, bro!" can be considered a notable catch phrase... and by extension the event that caused that phrase to be notable is notable itself. I am satified on that score. But that leads to another issue... if it is the existance and popularity of the catch phrase that makes this topic

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Besides "Don't tase me, bro", finding historical significance defies me as well. I agree that the article should be shortened a little, particularly the details of the event: the transcript should be removed from the article (I previously suggested that it be archived somewhere in the Talk namespace)

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I find the majority of the "facts" stated in the Article are blatantly false. If you look at the tape it is clear that the crowd starts cheering immediately after Meyers says I'm not going anywhere, after he had been detained for a more than noticeable amount of time. It does not mention the numerous

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I don't agree that "Sarcastically" needs to be or should be in the transcript. For one thing the reader can watch the video and decide for himself. Secondly if the article shows that Meyer meant "thank you" sarcastically what about his question "Didn't you want to be President?" This likely may have

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The same day, about 300 UF students conducted a protest march at the Emerson Alumni Hall with signs such as, "Stop police brutality," "Taze Pigs," "Freedom of Speech not a Felony," "Tasers Kill," and Meyer's words, "Don't Tase me, bro." Their demand was the complete ban of tasers on campus and filing

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The simple fact that these protestors did not imagine what would happen if the police officers did not have Tasers only proves their protest was a function of popularity rather than reason. Tazing doesn't have as a residual effect as being beaten with a baton. Mace is even more hazardous than tazing.

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The current revision of the article has a section on "Allegations of excessive force". Other than that, it seems your issues are merely with the connotations of the word "escort". Concerning the motivations for using a taser on him, that is merely your interpretation from watching the video, which

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This article reads as though it was written by the officers involved in the incident. There is hardly any mention of the allegations of police brutality (whether their actions could be considered as police brutality of not). There should be mention of the allegations whether they are true or not. It

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The ACLU has since come out and apologized for mistakenly thinking Meyer's rights were violated. They confirmed they were unaware that it was a forum that was being ran by a private source. An ACLU representative was quoted as saying, "We apologize for our statements involving the Andrew Meyer taser

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I think it would be appropriate to add a section titled "Don't tase me, bro!", although I'm not sure about its positioning. As I've written before, I support trimming the text somewhat and archiving the transcript. I think we need to retain enough detail to avoid something like the edited video that

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Yes. This is one of the highest-profile events in a notable ongoing controversy, and we owe it to our readers around the world to present the best possible article on it. There is a reason why people turn to Knowledge (XXG), and it is because of articles like this (which contain everything important

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Meyer asked Kerry "Didn't you want to be president?" and Kerry's "So, you want to come up here?" ? I assume that these are sarcastic as well, and I make that judgment on my own without any editing help. By putting (sarcastically), in one sentence it implies that all the other statements were meant

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People make mistakes all the time in trying to assume they know what someone's tone of voice signifies. It's beyond subjective, it sounds extreme for an encyclopedia to project meaning beyond the face value of his words, at the end of the day no one can know what is in the heart of others, which is

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The reason Meyer was Tasered probably had little to do with him resisting arrest as to WHERE he resisted. While it can't be argued if it was intentional or not but Meyer WAS making a scene of his arrest. Human Behavior tells us the longer it takes for him to be arrested the more likely people are to

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It's not a good idea to go through and make massive removals of sources and text from this article without first utilizing "Discussion" and developing consensus for such. Many of these issues have already been discussed here, at some length and with great seriousness and dedication of many editors.

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Please do not change this direct quote again. I have examined the source again today, and it is "Accent" with a capital "A" and the rest of the letters lower case. It does not matter whether you believe this to be spelled incorrectly, it is Knowledge (XXG) policy that we do not alter direct quotes.

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Are we implying that, when he turned and thanked Kerry he was being sincere? Why is that? Tone of voice? or are we assuming he would not be rude to Kerry? In the case of the police the context makes it clear he wasn't grateful to have the mike shut off. In the case of Kerry context is less helpful.

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My suggestion is to simply change the title to "Don't Tase me Bro" and scrap all this non-NPOV material revolving around his actions. Simply informing people that a guy was Tasered for resisting arrest is enough given most everything else is speculative and mearly attention getters. If knowing some

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after he began cursing and became belligerent." One need only see the video of the incident to see that this is definetely not the case. He asked embarassing questions and after the "skull and crossed bones secret society" question he was imediately grabbed by the campus police who were behind him.

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important? 3) Now that it is no longer "Hot News"... What parts of the article need to be re-written and re-structured? I notice that the article has a "not current" tag... that does tell me that interest in the story has waned. We should shift it to reflect a more "historical" focus. Summarize

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First let me state that I am not trying to reopen the old notability and deletion debates. Back when this story first broke and this article was being written, I expressed the opinon that it was too soon to properly assess the notablility and importance of this story. Now, several months later, I

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Meyer's "Didn't you want to be president?" wasn't sarcastic. This is exactly why we say it is sarcastic when it is and why we don't say it when it isn't. Sarcasm doesn't communicate well in print at all. It does communicate well in audio. The reader will be confused if he reads "Thank you" without

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Yes you are right, I don't think anyone thinks Meyer staged the tasing. I changed it to reflect more closely what the newspaper article says. If anyone still thinks it is wrong I propose finding a different source or saying "according to the Miami Herald" first. I think it would be better to avoid

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Bahh, the only reason I care is because after hearing this for the upteenth time from my roommate I finally checked it out and found out what I expected. Sure, I'm grounding my argument of notability based on Meyer's actions making him appear to be little more than a media puppet, but if "fame" is

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I looked at the link too, and the writer got the quote wrong. Like I said, it's a matter of consistency in the article. Either the organization is ACCENT or it's Accent. You can't have it being called one thing in one part of the article and another thing in a different part. I haven't changed it

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Because someone reads the article and is left thinking that Meyers was in the wrong doesn't prove that the article is not neutral. Are important facts being left out? Is there undue weight on some? Please be more specific. As to the apology, Meyers own lawyer has said that it is sincere. If you

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I haven't looked over the whole thing but the following jumped out at me: "The video shot with Meyer's camera had 2.6 million views by October 19, 2007 and was considered a viral video." Who considered it a viral video? Is it even necessary to state when we already know the camera had 2.6 million

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1. No, it is not the official site of University of Florida Taser incident. It is an official site of Meyer. This article is not about Meyer. 2. It provides a large load of info written by someone (could be Meyer himself, but who knows). It might not have an unbiased POV about the subject matter.

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famous for beating the crap out of officers right? No, famous Civil Rights Protesters knew better than to break any law but the one they protest. If they were found guilty of breaking it, so be it, but giving someone reason to become aggressive only leads to a media scandal and your cause is lost

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This article reads as though its written by the officers involved in the incident. The fact that it lacks mention of the allegations of arbitrary police brutality (whether or not the officer's actions could be considered police brutality) suggests the entire article may have been written by some

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I think it is really a question of updating and summarizing as opposed to true cleanup. As time passes since the event, some of the details have become less important that others. The article needs to shift slightly... focussing less on a minute by minute account of the event, and more on the

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At the risk of seeming rude, I feel the need to ask whether you have seen the videos. Have you? I'm just trying to determine whether you're asking from the perspective of not having seen the videos and reading only the text, or whether you are using the videos in your interpretation, that's all.

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Isn't that original research? I thought he just became upset that, following Kerry's lecture (and the UF administration members' long response), the event organizers allowed so few student questions. He must have had his questions prepared for some time, and been dying to hear Kerry's answers to

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Another problem is that it is incomplete. According to the police report and eyewitness Meyer said "I have been listening to you for two hours..." or the like and on the longest video Kerry can be heard, presumably the answer, "If your tired of listening to me talk, why do you want to ask me a

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I think it's pretty bad, because you can often have organizations where the capitalization makes all the difference. For example, Ball and BALL. In the latter case, they're making it clear that the name is an acronym. If you spoke to the people of ACCENT, I'm sure they'd tell you that it's an

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Again I press that this article is merely about a student who tried to antagonize his opponent, who got irritated and resisted being escorted out of the premises, further resisted arrest, and made a scene which may have induced a riot. The subsequent protests against Tasers were, undeniably,

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I just came across and read this article for the first time, and it looks really good to me. I don't understand why there's a cleanup tag, nor do I see any mention of it on the talk page. For now, I'm going to remove it, but if you object to that please state why here, then put it back up.

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He didn't really ask a question, but just stumped a book and some outlier ideas. Kerry said he knew of and had read the book. Meyers could have used the opportunity for a real discussion with Kerry over the substance of the book, but just talked over Kerry and had no interest in Kerry's

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notable, then we should focus on the catch phrase a lot more (at the moment it is hardly talked about). We still need to summarize the event itself, and focus on the aftermath (the growing popularity of the phrase). Do we really need a minute by minute breakdown of the event any more?

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You just have to become used to the fact that direct quotes from print sources will not always match in spellings or capitalization. In this case, it's a mild mistake but if it's egregious and you don't want it to appear that we (the encyclopedia writers) got it wrong, you can put a

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article (which was merged into this one), it would be relevant. If the site has relevant text, the relevant text should be included in the body of the article. I think that there is no POV issue with simply including its content since the site is clearly attributed to Meyer.

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Meyer, according to the agreement, also is required to submit an apology to the UF community and the UF Police Department for his actions. Robert Griscti confirmed Monday that his client would issue multiple letters of apology Tuesday and withdraw from school until January.

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After finally reading the allegations I've come to this conclusion: University Kids are attention hogs. If we exclude the "conspiracy" aspect, what is truly notable? The fact that he was Tased? Students KNEW officers had Tasers, any debate over Officers using Tasers is

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remove him from the premises, he didn't want to go so they used a Taser to soften him up. There are at least 3 officers holding him down on the floor at the time. This is not an allegation of police brutality, just simple facts - the article is poor in this respect.

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that they began to use force. So a very good case could be made that they did not want him discussing that. In any case, it's not appropriate to give the reason why they tasered him since that is not entirely known. Best to let the facts speak for themselves.

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I don't agree with this statement. The written word can provide only so much context in a transcript and this particular notation is essential to convey the exact meaning of what was said (in this case, the direct opposite of the words that were uttered).

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Yes, I have watched the videos and I agree with you that there is little question, if any, that Meyer was being sarcastic (saying ironic is probably too pedantic)but we shouldn't be using the transcript to show what was meant, only what was said, if

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I agree with, Badagnani. Taking out the word "sarcastically" inverts the meaning of the sentence and gives a blantly false impression of what he said. Of course, interpretation is subjective, but there isn't much room for other interpretations here.

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said Meyer didn't plan his outburst, as the UPD report might have suggested. However, Meyer's remark to officers in the police car, when he said they "did nothing wrong," was accurate. Meyer had no animosity toward individual officers, Griscti said.

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University Students have no integrity... they weren't protesting against TASERS, they were protesting against the police's handling of Meyer. Why? Probably because they lead sheltered lives and have never seen police brutality (I'm quite serious

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of confrotational) and put his hands high in the air (recognized internationally as clear non-threatening body language). About cursing, no cursing can be heard except two desperate, non-threatening sentences of like "get the fuck off me, man ".

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Also, already mentioned by Flatscan, Meyer wrote apologies as a part of an agreement where he woudnt get sent to jail. This article makes it sound like he wrote the apologies because he considered himself in the wrong, this needs ammendment.

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I agree that "sarcastically" adds correct guidance to the reader, but I believe it fails OR. My objection applies to the transcript in general, but I haven't had time to compose an argument - I hope to write it as a new Talk section tomorrow.

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I edited the wording to "Meyer may have staged his disruption of the forum" to try to make it clear that, allegedly, the screaming and swearing by Meyer was an attempt to get attention while the tasering was not planned (again, allegedly).

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It SHOULD go without saying that the LONGER you resist arrest the more trouble you get into. It SHOULD go without saying that the MORE you resist the more force that will be used. It SHOULD go without saying... Unfortunately it doesn't.

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What we have here is an article featuring a SINGLE STUDENT. A student who none-the-less spawned a media scandal over nothing. Making allegations over whether or not he orchestrated it is speculative at best (NPOV). The facts are simple:

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numerous shouts from to crowd directed at the police to stop it. It does not mention that it is clearly audible that the police are very vocal in keeping people in the crowd at bay. This article is clearly a case of misinformation.

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The answer is generally no with exception that "if their authenticity can be confirmed" , in this case I would say that it has been reported by reliable sources that the video is authentic. The transcript is another matter of course.

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Is a forced apology, under the threat of prosecution and punishment, anything other than a sick way to force a "confession" out of someone? Isn't this considered a very sinister form of oppression when it's done in other countries?

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article opens: "Andrew Meyer, the University of Florida student who was Tasered by campus police in September, may have staged the disturbance in an effort to disrupt a political forum at the Gainesville campus, a state police report

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I think a case could be made the the transcript is not OR and its inclusion is acceptable but I agree at this point it would improve the article to move it to the talk page as there are other sources available or becoming available.

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say that "Knowledge (XXG) is neither a mirror nor a repository of links" and that "Knowledge (XXG) is not a social network." Besides, This article is not about Meyer and Meyer's personal site has nothing to do with this incident.

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The name of the organization is ACCENT, not Accent. The correct quote is “They acted independently of ACCENT." If you want to name it "Accent" because of an incompetent writer's mistake, then change every "ACCENT" to "Accent".

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Sections 1.1 to 1.5 do not seem to follow wikipedias usual neutral standpoint, my impression from reading was that Andrew Meyer was 'in the wrong'. Pherhaps this bit of the article can be edited to come across as more neutral?

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been meant sarcastically as well. By not showing this was sarcastic do we mean to imply that it was meant in earnest? Rather then go through the transcript and assign meaning to each line, better just leave it out altogether.

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shouts from to crowd directed at the police to stop it. It does not mention that it is clearly audible that the police are very vocal in keeping people in the crowd at bay. This article is clearly a case of misinformation.

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Knowledge (XXG) policy is verifiability not truth. It was an error to have used it in the first place because readers and editors confused the subject of the article, which is the incident, with the contents of the video.

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There is no sufficient explanation in the article for why the police intervened in the first place. The article in general seems a bit slanted, seemingly playing down legitimate concerns over arbitrary police brutality.

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The sentence only had one reference, which said that signs were carried but did not say that the signs read things such as "Tase the Pigs!". An extreme statement like that needs an RS, which Flatscan just recently found.

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Badagani... could you explain what the notable ongoing controversy is? I think we all feal that the event is in some way notable (or at least was notable at the time).... but we are all having difficulty figuring out

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It is essential to a complete understanding of this event. We have built what is perhaps the most comprehensive article anywhere on the Internet about this subject, and impoverishing the content doesn't make sense.

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The entire article is a "case of misinformation" because it doesn't go into great detail about the specifics of the video? I think we can assume people will watch the video. What facts in particular are "blatantly

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It is repetitive. It is poorly written and the wording is not always clear. Obviously there are formatting problems and many relevant links have been removed. It is quite discouraging. Is this the best that WP can

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them, then saw it wasn't likely he was going to have an opportunity to ask them, and got agitated and decided he was going to speak up and insist that the event wasn't cut off before he got to ask his question.

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Absolutely agree. I have seen a video of this incident on YouTube and it's very clear to me that I would choose the words "he was forcibly removed" rather than "he was escorted". The fact is that they tried to

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I've cleaned up the introductory paragraph extensively. It was a nightmare. All the original information is left in tact, but restructuring now allows the opening paragraph to be read with a normal once-over.

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If we want to show Meyer did not literally mean what he said, a source should be found and it should be explained elsewhere in the article. The transcript should be just that, the text of what was said.

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I agree that the reverted additions were not substantial improvements. However, I support an expansion to the lead briefly mentioning Meyer's behavior, without going as far as calling it "disruptive".

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Great, it would be wonderful to have a report other than the police report as well. I think there are some of those. What do those say about the number of times he was drive stunned with the Taser?

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I believe that the transcript is OR and thus not suitable for inclusion in the article. I believe that the transcript does have value, so I propose that it be presented on its own page in the Talk.

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He may have been finished and sincerely thanking Kerry or he could have been blaming Kerry in part for having the mike shut off. Oddly we can only assign meaning when the meaning is already clear.

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Attacking people using that right, isn't that what socialists, communists, Stalinists, Maoists and.. fascists do? kinda reminds you of how German police started to intimidate their own citizens..

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The article is in better shape than previously; the issues have been addressed; I'm removing the tags. If tags are re-established, please re-state a solid case why they need to be put back on.--

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Irrespective of whether editors wish to avoid association with conspiracy theories, Skull and Bones formed the core of this event's notability and was the subject matter at the time of arrest.

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All the police reports say once or don't specify. I skimmed them before doing the reversion. The insertion of "at least three times" could be OR (incorrectly) counting the individual pulses.

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Has anyone come out to criticize the police report? Seems pretty controversial, saying he staged it somehow, he would have had to magically know that the police were going to do that.

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seems to be the relevant section. It goes on to say they should be used with caution. So I believe it may be ok to use the video, I don't see how we can justify using a transcript.

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There is no connection to Skull and Bones in this incident. Manic ramblings do not add up to form a "core", beyond the mania itself. It's the mania that really closer to the core.

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by editor of the Yale Book of Quotations. I don't know if this particular "award" is notable enough for inclusion, but it contributes to the incident's overall notability.

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I couldn't find any sources to back this up, and it's highly suspect that the ACLU actually said that. I Googled the direct quotation as well and couldn't find a source.

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Yes. We have one of the best resources on this subject, to which people all over the world refer. Impoverishing our content isn't something to which we should aspire.

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Violation of your civil rights? Maybe, but thats what the Legal System is for. The "police" just uphold the law, you can't argue with them... even if you're right.

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should be restored. It is uncut, providing full context, and was posted by a YouTube user affiliated with the newspaper. Any comments on any of the other videos?

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article quotes the video only from reliable sources: articles and the transcript released in the independent report. I had suggested including a transcript in

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Direct links to documents that require external applications (such as Flash or Java) to view the relevant content, unless the article is about such rich media.

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and not needed in the article. Linking to articles about the video, or the video itself (assuming it isn't a copyvio...pretty sure it isn't) is sufficient. -

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I agree, perhaps it is time to overhaul the article, shorten the incident to a few lines. Are the police reports still needed as we know have fresh sources?

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it is still notable (ie notable in the long run), we end up with an article about an "old news" event that nobody cares about anymore. We need to explain

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Well, a typical reaction would be a revert asking to seek consensus, and subsequent discussions would probably be more aggressive and less productive.--

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Signs were depicted in photos that appeared in several articles. You removed all mention that signs were carried? That seems excessive and unnecessary.

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the fact that the article runs counter to the events depicted in the video MEANS A MASSIVE REWRITE is required. this article is filled with bias.

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suggests, we have the discretion of adding "according to the Miami Herald", but I think the statement is consistent with the released summary.

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When I first read the part in bold, it conjured up an image of a sinister Secret Service-type goon calling for Meyer's 'removal'. But in the

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Put it in the article. Meyer has also said that he is taking a leave of absence from his studies but plans to return to UF in January 2008.

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I read through the 17-page summary. On page 3, it describes an incident on September 11, 2007 when Meyer had an interaction with members of

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On the subject of Meyer's web page, evidently Meyer posted a article he had written called "How I pissed off Ken Griffey, Jr." which is

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certainly seems as though some of the people editing/discussing this article may be biased in some way (see below by 64.238.178.124).

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think we can better come to grips with it without the hyperventalating that occured at the time. So my questions are: 1) Is the story

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I would prefer an alternate source with wording more along the lines of "planned", "intended", or "purposefully caused" the disruption.

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I agree, this needs to be rewritten to better reflect the historical context; but I'm not sure what the historical context actually

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and the prose description of the action should be pared down. On the other hand, I don't think that any particular reference to

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I feel John Kerry's statement afterwards was extremely lame. By the way, he never did answer Meyer's questions. Interesting.

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notable and encyclopedic (I assume it is, but the question does need to be asked)... 2) If so, what parts of this story are

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A third party's opinion: Yes, it is very NPOV - an opinion piece rather than a factual recording of the whole incident.

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Perhaps... but unless we have a source that discusses this aspect of the matter, we can not discuss it in the article.

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incident. We made a mistake by offering an impetuous opinion before all of the facts were revealed in their entirety."

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notes. I think the summary means that Meyer may have planned/intended the disruption, but not necessarily the Tasing.

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to "shortening" of this article. Notable event, possibly the highest-profile event in a notable ongoing controversy.

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with Bush? Were you in the same secret society as Bush? Were you in Skull and Bones?" : "Thank you for cutting my

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clown was Tasered is STILL needed you can merge it with something like "list of clowns who were Tasered" (violates

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This section should also probably mention something about being arrested without a reason given for the arrest.

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Your remarks are too vague to be of any value and the tone is to discourage, rather then encourage improvements.

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Yes, the cutting motion was as if to say "cut off his mic." He wasn't suggesting that someone eliminate Meyer.

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The beginning of the article only mentions one video circling the net. Why aren't the other videos mentioned?--

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Timneu22, if you read the comments for that video and watch it you will realise that it is biased. Please see

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I'm not sure I agree. One way to spark discussion is to make a change and see who reacts, and why. Sincerely,

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I don't have a strong opinion on whether the capitalization should be made consistent throughout the article.

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Why does the transcript end before the "Don't tase me" quote? Should there be an explanation of the reason?

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video clips published on YouTube may be acceptable as primary sources if their authenticity can be confirmed

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section about the various signs just because of the lack of sources. If you want, go ahead and restore it.

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your addition to the lead, as a substantial portion of it appears to be a copyright violation copied from

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Hi, I write from Italy. I readed the long long article anyway I dont undestand: why the boy was tasered?--

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applies, and videos that are copyrighted by other organizations may not be linked to via Knowledge (XXG).

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they tasered him. As pointed out in the article, it was only after Meyer mentioned Kerry's involvment in

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than as a political event or attack on civil liberties, so perhaps that's the perspective to take.

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A sentence stating that Flordia students made the extremist message "Tase the Pigs!" needs an RS.

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No, Meyer is not the subject of the article. The Taser incident is the subject of the article.

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1. It is the official site of the subject of the article. 2. It provides text about the event.

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You removed text saying that signs were carried? That still seems excessive and unnecessary.

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I agree that the inserted text is dubious and should be excluded pending a reliable source.

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Regarding Meyer staging the tasing specifically, I inferred (perhaps incorrectly) that from

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The sentence's content was not supported by the reference-- so the sentence was truncated.

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should be added — for a number of reasons, this incident was less controversial than the

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attack to prevent your opponent from correcting the inconsistencies with your argument).

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I'll add also that for the most part, YouTube should not be linked in articles, per the

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I came to this article to read Kerry's statement (lame or not), does anyone have it?

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Are there any objections to removing the transcript and putting it on the talk page?

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That's not what I asked. I asked, "You removed text saying that signs were carried?"

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made it seem that Meyer was tackled and tased immediately after asking a question.

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the event itself more, and focus on its impact on society (if there has been one).

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The video itself is not OR, however, transcribing the video is. It is a form of

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Looking at the sources cited in the historical revision, the removal was proper.

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again since your last edit, as per your request, but a change needs to be made.

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that the article is about the Taser incident, not about Meyer. If this were the

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Without a link to the full version (6:47) of the incident, THIS IS PROPAGANDA.

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measured by the ability to do stupid things we are heading for a deep decline.

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The two links I deleted are either a blog and a personal website. Note that

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Moving it under "External links" is very non-standard and just plain weird.

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Here is the Gainsville Sun article that says students yelled tase the pigs

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summing up the report summary on our own if we can get a secondary source.

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The source is the video. Anybody who sees it will know it was sarcastic.

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staff writer. I don't think that including something like "According to

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Why has this article been censored of the words "Skull and Bones" ?

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have a reliable source that says otherwise add it to the article.

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No matter how you spin it, a series of rhetorical questions is an

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To clarify, I think that this incident merits a brief mention in

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I strongly disagree; the Meyer official site is highly relevant.

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They should have beat him with some batons while they were at it,

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The article stated: " was subsequently removed from the forum by

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suffered from is not the only reason I reverted. It's debatable

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http://www.acronymfinder.com/Wouldn't-It-Be-Nice-If-(WIBNI).html

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important distinction. Enigmaman 06:33, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

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How many times was Meyer drive stunned with the Taser by Mallo?

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Just a dumb acronym (sorry, Anon, but that is true). It means

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criticizing the report, go ahead and add them to the article.

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this event still matters several months after it took place.

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I like your edit replacing "incident" with "disruption".

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Thanks for quoting that, I think I've read that before.

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From the UF President's comment on the released summary

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http://www.miamiherald.com/top_stories/story/283492.html

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to be taken at face value which is likely not correct.

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about the incident), which can be found nowhere else.

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that makes this notable a few months after the event?

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How is it relevant? Please at least provide a reason.

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There was a sentence listing the various signs in the

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I haven't read anything like that. If you know of any

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WIBNI a link to the video was added to this section.

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