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since his band is on wikipedia. But he should not be on the main page section should he? That section should be reserved for the most celebrated Soton alumni. Also, the change was not made using correct grammar. On this section also, perhaps there should be a link to "British Lion" and "Wales" for
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I have had a go at arranging horizontally but becomes pretty ugly (as the number of integers required in each year changes, the width of columns become inconsistent). I prefer it as is (but i did create it so i might be a little biased) --Iamtheabelman 23:08, 13 May 2009
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