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that Drew Carey is buying for $ 1,000,000 could be included with the same sort of information, my answer is: yes it could. Personally I don't want to see it because my opinion is we should only have accounts that have their own articles (that is five times now), but that is just my opinion on the matter and others may see it otherwise. I know you do, and that's fine. I don't own this list, and if it is decided to include accounts that have received significant coverage, but not enough for a stand alone article, than I have to live with that. And I can. Quite frankly, I don't really care one way or the other if this (or the other) article is kept, deleted, merged, expanded, or whatever. I just gave my opinion, and that is what it is, my opinion. I am participating in this discussion to state what I think should happen, and clarifying on the misconception that I think that every person on the Bondi tram who creates a
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Twitter user ever and that's just silly. But if we rename it then the name becomes similar to Use of Twitter by celebrities and politicians and the two will basically have the same function.") While, as BDD points out, it's more correct to use List of Twitter users, I'd rather be not confusing than correct. So that's my wall o' text about this.
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I am not sure I follow you. Basically this list, as it sits now (after my trimming per Tony's suggestion), is a listing of
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to the list again, complete with ranking (7,975 for those who are interested). As there are two Twitter accounts on here that do have articles, and are not celebrities or politicians, merging the page to
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