Talk:Valencian Community - Knowledge (XXG)

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Comunidad Valenciana (Valencian Community). I understand that the article is called "Valencian Community" because that is the official institutional name, but the alternative denomination is also officially recognized and has widespread usage, especially in the Valencian language. "Valencian Country" must, at least, be mentioned in the first sentence of the article, because many readers will search for "Valencian Country" and omitting this important denomination can cause confusion. And it is also important that edition in this respect is restricted once the community has achieved a consensus, otherwise there will be changes to the introduction every other week.

597:. In fact, names of all government bodies in Valencia are not translated -in official documents- and the Generalitat is referred to as such (and not Generalidad), the President is "El President", the seat of government is "El Palau", and the ministries are "El Consell". Funny thing, however, the Valencian term "conselleria" is used for a single ministry, but the plural is hybrid: "consellerias" (where in Valencian it should be "conselleries") and note that the hybrid does not have an accent on the i, which would make "-lle-" the stressed syllable in Spanish, where in fact the stress should be on the -i- in both Valencian and Spanish. 2686:

professional speakers like me (e.g. when you deleted some of my transcriptions) but then you fail to give a proper explanation and be consistent (logical) about the analysis of the Iberian languages, which is (still) very poor.. The last statement I didn't see you restored Valencian Country, so I apologise for that and well, IMO if you want to be sympathetic to everybody in Spain you should all try to adopt a more neutral position and take into consideration the terminology you use : ) —

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Flanders or Wallonia but dealing with the Basque Country I think it was about the purpose of distinguishing better the borders of the territory (zoom in, not zoom out), it's not I particularly like it and I think the "visibility" issues are still somewhat of a moot point (and I think there are better solutions such as the additional zoom caption featured in the infobox maps for the small US states (i.e

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has only distinguished itself in ferocity, ambition, vindictiveness, and greed... It is harder to release a nation from servitude than to enslave a free nation. This truth is proven by the annals of all times, which reveal that most free nations have been put under the yoke, but very few enslaved nations have recovered their liberty... As I can see you defend those values... Not me... —

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Country and Valencian Community as if these regions were countries of the European Union, to scale of the whole continent, of gray and green color, and there do not appear all the autonomous communities (as Canaries). It is absolutely intolerable and inadmissible. These regions must use the same type of map.

857:, and it's contending that articles about other Spanish autonomous communities are using the same scheme. But it is not a logical but arbitrary reason, as the whole scheme proposed by Illcalb (rightly, dumped directly from es-wiki) lacks on geographical information. It's not an improvement, really. Cheers. -- 2524:. I also see there are exceptions that deviate further from the norm in terms of colors and features (but they are not consistent in relation to each other), which are also country-centered. I do not see why the Valencian Community should follow that criteria going "Satesclop" or "JaumeR". For example: 2781:

My conception of certain things might be different because of Spain... And I also have my faults (so I apologise if I used the wrong words in English, as you now it's not my first language). As you should know, we are dominated by the vices that one learns under the rule of a nation like Spain, which

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I'm not a European federalist for my own reasons and atm I'm very Eurosceptic; however that's not the reality of most Spanish political parties who advocate for further integration with the EU, that's why I think the appearance of Europe in the main subdivisions is important and I think if Belgium (a

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Advocacy, propaganda, or recruitment of any kind: commercial, political, scientific, religious, national, sports-related, or otherwise. An article can report objectively about such things, as long as an attempt is made to describe the topic from a neutral point of view. You might wish to start a blog

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As Masclet said before he vanished the article doesn't suggest "Valencian Country" is the main name of this territory, but an alternative name. Its usage is very common all throughout Valencia, it's used by many institutions and political parties (read previous talk). Furthermore, the English name of

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There is manipulation because you told those users to vote for your option and that's not the right thing to do. Also would you like to discuss things rationally using the modern Spanish legal terms and not old fashioned terms prior to the Spanish Transition and the modern Spanish constitution. I'll

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Do you know the difference between official ("oficial") and informal ("informal"), right? It does not even reach "oficioso/oficiós" level? Where is the consensus? I only can see Jauma unilaterally and progresivelly changing the lead and the infobox since December 2015. Which problem do you have with

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Sure, we are already discussing the issue there, and I've made already some moves (and you too) to build a common ground consensus. Its outcomes will solve the problem in this article too. As for the policy thing, I'll be happy to read any elaboration of your insights in my talk page if you wish. By

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I fail to see the reason because of the Catalonia, Valencian Community and Balearic Islands articles need to use the same, different NUTS map while the rest of Spanish regions use the standard, country-centered version, the one which is used by all the country subdivisions articles. Again, I hope we

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They are different in many aspects which is fine by me (I support the Basque/Navarran economic agreement as well as the creation of a new agreement for my land, the Valencian Country); however that doesn't mean we should have all different maps as we're all in Spain.. (You can also read what I said

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Not lost, but I actually felt alone discussing with you and with your "you are insulting us" yadda yadda yadda. What's so difficult to understand about how an entry 1st should structure the toponymical wording per english usage, 2nd should inform about the nature of the several toponyms, and cannot

1553: 1426: 1237:). Quoting a paragraph of the Spanish Constitution to claim "Spanish State" is not an informal name is ridiculous and a bad use of primary sources. Quoting a paragraph of the Statut to claim "País Valenciá" is in equal terms to "Comunitat Valenciana" is ridiculous and a bad use of primary sources.-- 497:

uses "Comunidad Valenciana" in the pieces in Spanish and "Comunitat Valenciana" in the parts in Valencian. I'm just going to go and add it to the infobox :P People can complain if they want but they are going to have to give some very good reasons to oppose, given how the official government itself

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There is no manipulation. I do not know the rest of users. I observed that the independence users were organizing to vote in favour of incorrect and absurd maps, and I informed about this voting some users of Spain, without knowing about anything his ideology or feeling. Because the pretensions of

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Thanks for your research Asqueladd and I'm ok with your proposal (for now). I'm going to restore the bourdeaux map and I'll keep the green in my account for when there's a war or something. We should also create a convention in order to avoid future conflicts. And I think we could use more colours

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you Peter238 seem pretty biased on everything, besides that I still think you ain't got a clue about many things about Spain and Spanish. I also think you're variable and unpredictable like the wind or even a storm (as the other day you restored my map but today you're removing it)... btw have you

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The articles of all the autonomous communities of Spain use the same type of map where it distinguishes itself to the region in red, the sea appears in blue and the rest of the country in yellow. Some independentists or nationalistic users insist on adding maps in the articles of Catalonia, Basque

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Just as a reminder, "Valencian Country" is the name used by the two psrties forming the coalition government at the moment in the Generalitat, it is the standard name in Catalan language, and it is used by academic institutions like the University of Valencia, the main trade unions and hundreds of

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I have been working to expand this page for a few weeks now and I am appalled that the reference to "Valencian Country" has been deleted. There is a controversy about the name of the autonomous community, with the Catalan wikipedia using País Valencià (Valencian Country) and the Spanish one using

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This is currently the oldest tagged NPOV dispute. I have read through the article and it seems good to me. From the talk page I see their is a dispute as whether to describe the language as Valencian of Catalan. Also there is disscusion here about moving the page to a new title. Are these the

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I will just offer my two cents, and may the parties in dispute find a resolution. If other users are willing to reach a new consensus (no consensual version is permanent), it is my opinion that only the official name should be included, as the organic law of the autonomous community and all laws

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Ahhhh, before they were "different", now they are all the same to suit your agenda. Interesting... I like nonetheless your efforts towards formulating a consistent solution but I am puzzled by the "most Spanish political parties support further integration with the EU so..." I don't know about

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So, to sum up: -We agree that a consensus to keep the spanish translation was reached in the past. JaumeR did not accept it and/or failed to re-open the case to discuss it. -Knowledge (XXG) guideline allows alternate names to appear. -Spanish language being co-official in this region is enough

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To avoid edit-warring a consensus was reached whereby the official name in Valencian and the unofficial translation in Spanish were to be displayed in the infobox. Given that this was an extremely controversial topic, I do agree that the removal of the Spanish name should be made by consensus.

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are, legally speaking, parts of Spain), we really should not confuse them. Whatever the size/colour consensus is, we should follow it and block users that edit war here instead of challenging the consensus in the appropriate place (whatever that is). Also, editing unlogged (though I'm not sure

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No one is playing games, but if you call us a region you're insulting and denying our identity. And you were not even questioning that at the beginning, so you just mixing things. And tbh I don't understand how you're trying to improve this page by your suggestions, or by deleting sources and

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Hm, you're right; I had several Catalan and Valencian articles open simultaneously, and it looks like I stuck the label in the wrong one. Thanks for fixing it. (Now I suppose I'll have to go try and find the article that seemed to have a statement claiming Valencian as something co-equal and

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now, and just as a side note, let me tell that there is some difference between a long standing solution (amounting to some kind of implicit consensus) and an alternative proposal that immediately finds opposition (a situation that calls for a new discussion and consensus-building). Cheers, --

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Well you seemed pushy (for tracking me/keep following my steps) and biased (because you equalised Castilian Spanish and (Standard) Peninsular/European Spanish; and that's not what our references say...) Besides that you and other users say negative excuses to everything and try to correct

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As it's been done with the Basque Country, and since Peter238 supported a different map there than the standard map used for the Spanish "autonomies" he proposed here the other day I change what I said in the section above and now I propose to vote for a map for the Valencian Country —

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Following the same logic, it is my opinion that the term "País Valencià" should not be included in the infobox. It could be included in the opening paragraph or any other appropriate section, but not being the official name of the community, the infobox is not the place for it. --

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I don't want to be "symphatetic to everybody in Spain", being civil and consistent is enough for me. Apology accepted, I'll take the rest to your talk page (since you're clearly asking for it), because this is not the appropriate place to respond to your post.

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So far your "sources" only refer to names in Catalan not in English (nobody denies "País Valencià" is a common term in Catalan, but this does not mean it is an official term nor that means the "weigh" is the same in its English-language

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I am proposing changes (see edit edit summaries and comments above). Fact is apparently a consensus of 4 "valencianists" want to disregard both the nature of the two terms and the English usage of them to impose their view in the

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We could ignore the video for now (as you can see I deleted it before), however we can speak about facts like corruption and the creation of the neologism Valencian Community in Madrid (which wasn't created in a democrative way)

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the name of the community. The preamble to the estatute says that it's a modern conception, it doesn't say that it's the name of the community. It not mentioned in the first title, where the name of the community is discussed.

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Furthermore, I've also proposed to create similar types of maps for the rest of Spanish autonomous communities. One of the reasons to use it could be because most Spanish political parties support further integration with the

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The reason was that the official name was "Valencian Community" in both Spanish and Valencian, which meant that there was no need to put a Spanish translation. However, the point appears to be very moot because the very own

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bring them in (in english), and don't cherry pick them. I am not by any means prohibiting the mention of Valencian Country in the lead, by the way. I am denouncing the blatantly ridiculous wording and annotations (primary

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You are annoyingly playing the victim card. I am suggesting not to use a unconsequential quote of the Statut to state some sort of officiality for a particular name: the only official name of the Valencian Community is

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feature terms of comparison). However, in order to determine which term is more common in a particular language people deal with the lexicographical corpus, not with preference in the naming of political parties of the

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Since when partisan primary sources not in English (youtube videos of political parties) are admisible in the lead of the article about a region in order to force english toponymical uses in the English Knowledge

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Sorry to hurt your feelings, but the purpose of Knowledge (XXG) is not make "Valencianists" feel better or worse. By the way, the translation of the official term and the use comparison in English language

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Also, I have to remind you there's no consensus for a map in many of the articles you use that as a reason for undoing changes without further discussion, so I urge you to follow Knowledge (XXG)'s policies.

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I ask myself... What bad can the name in spanish do??? Is anybody erasing the catalan translation of the name? Then, what is the problem to add the name in another co-official language of the territory?

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It is a video from one of the parties in our government so it's official (not propaganda). And I don't know the purpose of that section, as I didn't write it, however I do agree with its content

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use black (I don't oppose to use this colour as I like it, but I'd like to know if there is a particular reason for this, if there is not and we fail to get a convention, I think I will restore

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seen the map of regions like Flanders and Wallonia? Have you checked the consensus on Basque Country and Catalonia (which are not provinces, but autonomous communities with a special status) —

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You tell him yourself, i Don't think he's done a bad usage of the talk page. This article should speak more about corruption and bad practices (promoted by the previous "blaverist" governments)

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Oh yeah it is, coz we, the Valencians, use País Valencia (Valencian Country) very frequently as you can see in our wiki and many sources. Does this explain why our government uses it? ;)

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Its translation "Valencian Country" (which exists in English) is not very used in english at all in comparison to "Valencian Community" (the translation of the official term), either (see

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that doesn't matter, we agreed to use it. If you don't agree with it just make a new proposal at the talk page. Just bear in mind 4 of us have already accepted the term Valencian Country.

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Why do you disagree? do you think País Valencia is less used than Comunitat Valenciana in Catalan language , you did not care to read me at all, or your english comprehension is 'nil?).

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I've lived in two "bilingual" cities, and I know that this sort of survey produces comical results. People ignore the questions and answer as if asked "Do you like your heritage?"

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i disagree because you're not right, there is a consensus and because you're trying to insult the Valencians by calling us a region (right at the beginning of our conversation)

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Even more, erasing the spanish language from the infobox would make these 2 articles the ONLY ones in wikipedia where the name in one of the official languages does not appear.

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Do you know why the Valencian Country is in debt and why Spain asked for a bailout to the EU? Do you know about all the corruption cases in Valencia? Do you know the saying

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Up to my knowledge the Spanish autonomous communities fit the pattern above. By the way, you already have that basic scheme for the 17 spanish autonomous communities here:

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As a last note, I think we should discuss the entire matter in the Catalonia article's discussion, so we can avoid an unnecesary string of repeated, space-consuming edits.

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I don't downgrade myself, yth would i do such daft thing? And yeah you are downgrading and insulting my land/nation/nationality/community, whatever - I'm just defending it

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How can Valencian Country be informal if it appears in our Statute of Autonomy and many institutions and polical parties use this name, e.g. the current ruling party (the

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This map will be based on the previous map of the location of the Valencian Country within Europe and Iberia, and will be similar to the one used in England and Wallonia

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are the POV pusher, as all of those articles (besides the articles about Catalonia and the Valencian Community) use a different map style. I'm reverting here and on

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Does anyone have meaningful numbers? For example, how many children are in Valencian-speaking secondard schools compared to the number in Spanish-speaking schools?

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Also, the economic statistics nearly all precede the current downturn; newer numbers (and perhaps some information tracing these numbers over time) would be good. -

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The inverse orographic lift effect is mentioned in the third bullet in the "Climate" section. What is this and what is the source? This effect is not mentioned in

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like a new colour for sovereignty/autonomy and another for proper unitarian states, but perhaps it's better not to do this as this would create more divisions. —

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The section bases all it's numbers on one study performed by a biased organisation (pro-Valencian), in which the respondants rated themselves and weren't tested.

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It's you the one downgrading yourself if you are taking toponymical discussion in en:Knowledge (XXG) personal. How can? Because it is! Bring a source claiming: "

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They are not maps to make anybody feel good; they are maps that show the political status of these entities, as well as their location in Iberia and Europe —

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Valencian Country is an informal name as much as for example "Estado Español" is an informal name (and it is mentioned in the very same Spanish Constitution,

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If he's not taking this seriously and is trying to manipulate the results I think his vote (and his friends') should be cancelled, not the whole voting. —

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multilingual country like Spain, and one of the hearts or main centres of EU) uses this type of map (for her regions or linguistic communities), why not

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Some users have tried to change the map without giving any explanation in this page. There is a completely analogous discussion (so far unresolved) at

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I would like to clarify if the current government accepts and promotes "Valencian Country", this article must display this name in the way it is now

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I don't agree mate, it's not an informal name. By saying that you're insulting us. Moreover 4 Valencianist users agreed to use this term in the

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can you clarify why you've marked this as disputed? The article doesn't say that it's a separate language, it says "The Valencian people

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My point, as always was, is that wikipedia guidelines do not state anywhere that ONLY official names should appear. I will guide you to

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I've restored the map used before because those put by Icallbs is lacking on European geographical context. I've read the discussion on

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The reason is the same one I said in other threads. Major Spanish parties (like PSOE) advocate for the creation of a federal Europe –

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Up to you, but you're not always civil (and honest). And it was you who started talking about IPA, I just let myself carried away —

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It frequently goes by País Valencià in Catalan language usage, at the least in the same order of magnitude than Comunitat Valenciana.

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I just told you on my talkpage which you been bullying in the past months because you're obsessed like most authoritarian guys —

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in the infobox, however we should keep the footnotes in order to make clear to readers the only official name is in Valencian.

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Since no one has disputed that the above now resolves the bias issues, I am removing the maintenance tag from the article.--

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There is no "Valencian" language, it's just a variety of Catalan, just like "Texan" is a variety of American English. See

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not about that map (it was reverting vandalism/POV-pushing), it also didn't change it (it was the same as it was before).

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Oral partisan primary sources as in "youtube political propaganda published by the youth wing? of a political party".--

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Bring secondary sources with a context that claim Comunidad Valenciana, País Valenciano or País Valencià are currently

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Do you disagree with some of the points above? Now based on those points I will procede later to propose the changes.--

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And also, why is the green map not neutral, and why Wallonia, Flanders, the Basque Country or Scotland can use it? —

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give multiple languages in their infoboxes so it is feasible to do this. What are the reasons against including it?--

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There is still the old dispute of whether the infobox should have also the name is Spanish "Comunidad Valenciana". --

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Let's just say that there is no consensus to make those two changes, so, yes, those disputes are sort of solved.

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The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

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whether you did that on purpose) just to revert edits in an edit war is against rules. Just my two cents.

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Valencian Country is not an informal name, why would an informal name appear in the Statute of Autonomy?

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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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And please, could you stop going on about the same thing and open your mind a bit. The article name is

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Since Jaume readded the spanish translation of the name to the infobox, I removed the neutrality tag.--

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It is evident that these users are independence and abuse Knowledge (XXG)'s policies to do politics.

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And, my point is even more relevant given the fact that the articles about Spanish provinces (e.g.

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I don't know what you're trying to prove but you seem lost (about this subject and perhaps others)

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Knowledge (XXG):What Knowledge (XXG) is not#Knowledge (XXG) is not a soapbox or means of promotion

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Yes, but the parties in the Valencian government use Valencian Country and we have a consensus.

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Talk:Valencia#General confusion in WP between the Valencian Community and the city of Valencia

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Having checked all of the articles about Administrative divisions of Spain on English WP (see

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Knowledge (XXG) doesn't just use official names, we can use alternative and consensus names

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And last, I've only seen the "internationalization style" in the United Kingdom, Belgium,

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Exactly, despite being not official, "Valencian Country" is a common name for that Land.--

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You are the dangerous vandal one. Please, do not insult. You should be blocked forever.

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by digging up some obscure law on default flag proportions, can be counted as solved. --

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remind here you started to call us regions knowing that the constitution recognises

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Don't be so harsh. It's true they are detrimental to inner coherence and are mildly

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I have no objection to Maurice27's proposal for using the unofficial Spanish exonym

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Just a word of warning, this vote might not be valid because Satesclop is breaking

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then you may need to upload it to Knowledge (XXG) (Commons does not allow fair use)

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General confusion in WP between the Valencian Community and the city of Valencia

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or visit a forum if you want to convince people of the merits of your opinions.

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is currently an official denomination for the autonomous community on par with

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No secondary source in English state both are equal to in terms of officiality.

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of the lead. I also suggest a serious trimming of the info in the infobox.--

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la corrupción en València es como la paella, en ningún sitio la hacen mejor

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Yeah I know, but I am suggesting to differentiate the nature of both terms.

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There was also a dispute about the flag proportions, it was dealt with at

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I haven't insulted anybody, could you indicate me where i insulted you —

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make "weasel" claims of "officiality" not in the (primary) sources. :(.--

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I'm not.. you shouldn't've downgraded us and you should accept the truth

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Yep, the suspicious votes should be ignored, but not the whole voting.

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How many really speak Valencian. Use of weasel words suggests: very few

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The Genaralitat's page still uses "comunidad valenciana" in many places

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Including it seems most the comprehensive option. It appears that both

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there are sources in Spanish, Valencian and possibly also in English

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I am not disputing the mention of "Valencian Country" in the lead

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Knowledge (XXG) doesn't exclude alternative names or common names

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The term exists also in Spanish but it is not particularly used.

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in Spanish. A punctual mention in the Statut is unconsequential.

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I would tell JaumeR that is bad use of the talk page and that

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Proposal to zoom the current bourdeaux map to highlight the

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Your statement is not true, we are not violating any rules

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only things under dispute and are either of them settled?--

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I am not excluding the mention of alternative names either

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Could you adress the problems instead of diverting them?

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I don't agree, it's a country/nationality (within Spain)

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