1375:"the Mixing Bowl was reconfigured so that the Route 27 lanes were separated as collector lanes from the through lanes of I-395. Because the collector lanes were built on the site of the ramp from westbound Shirley Highway to the eastbound Route 27, the ramp was replaced with a ramp from the eastbound Route 27 into the Pentagon South Parking Lot." - Those are cited off source 2... which is a map from the present day. To make claims like that you usually need to cite 2 maps from before and after, so you can show a change. - also cite to Road To The Future
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interchanges with Route S before entering A County. (A route description should answer the question, why does the reader care about the road? It shouldn't be a mindless recitation of interchanges and county lines and zoning. Sure, that may be okay for a Start-Class article, but for the GA stage, it's gotta be more interesting than that).
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Please, re-organize this section so that it starts at one terminus and proceeds to the opposing terminus without backtracking. The fourth paragraph should be integrated into the rest of the section. The various highlights and landmarks should be mentioned in the locations where they actually fall along the route.
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map could also be cropped down to focus on what is Route 27 to the exclusion of the other roadways, and it could be displayed at a smaller size, say the defualt thumbnail size. You've set it to be 10px wider than the infobox, and that makes it almost as tall as the infobox, exaggerating its prominence.
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should be about writing articles that match the GA standard. I could "hold" the article, but it's clear that there's quite a bit of work that needs to be done here. Please, take your time and fix what has been outlined before a renomination, or you'll go through this cycle again. - if you compare with
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I'm failing this article. It's clear that (while the first reviewer could have provided more details, granted) there was a quite rushed attempt to fix only some of the things addressed at the last review before a quick renomination. GA shouldn't be about getting the green circle with a plus in it; it
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That's fine, but that image appears as a part of the Route description, which is the modern context for the road. I suggest you get a current map, which is possible by making a request at the Maps Task Force. The map you've used doesn't even label what is now Route 27 to give a reader context. That
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I appreciate your help on this and thank you for your edits. If an entire road is all within one city or one county, what purpose is served adding that to the table? " If the roadway only passes through one geographic location, the column(s) should be omitted and a note placed above the top of the
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That may be so. But it's not improved to the point of where it can be considered for GA status. I'm not going to respond to your comments above, as it's clear that you want to do things your own way, regardless of what anyone else says. The problem with this is "your way" is not the way that works
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There are always mileposts on a highway, even if the signs aren't physically posted. At the very least, the southern/western terminus is MP 0.00(0) and the northern/eastern terminus is the length. Michigan doesn't post any milepost signs on non-freeway highways, yet the distance from the starting
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The third paragraph shouldn't be there. You should mention the sites at the places the route passes by them. - I tried that but it was impossible to follow because the points of interest are so intertwined with the various ramps of the interchanges. This is a 2 mile long route along some of the
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The RD section is poorly organized. The first paragraph describes the whole route. The second then jumps back to a point in the middle. The third paragraph seems to pick up someplace in the middle of the route as well. A reader should not need a map open as a reference to follow the RD section.
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The article contains poorly structured sentences such as "Route 27 is part of the
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The RD also goes dangerously close to what a lot of USRD RD's are like: Route X interchanges with Route Y and crosses over the Z River. Then, it intersects County Route 232 and goes through an interchange with Route D before crossing into farmland. After interchanging with Route 2, Route X
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1331:"Route 27 is the northern terminus of the reversible high occupancy vehicle lanes of I-395." - but this is the VA 27 article, does this need to be here? - because the traffic flows betweem the reversible lanes and Route 27 without ever entering the normal lanes of I-395.
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Source 2 is cited several times for continguous sentences. Unless you add more sources in between go ahead and cut the extra citations out (though they still are needed for each paragraph at a minimum). - don't want to create impression that it is
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The second paragraph should go at the beginning of the route description, or you could even fit it into the lead. - I moved it out of the lead, because items in the lead are required to also be discussed in the main sections of the
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Footnote 1 is missing an accessdate. Additionally, I believe that there is a newer version of that report that is available. I suggest verifying that the length and distances have not been updated, and switching to the newer
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The route description organization is still flawed. There's one superlong paragraph describing the entire route. Generally in
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I would expand on the first sentence of the last paragraph of the RD. I would add a little more information on these closures. This place the traffic counts information would be a good last paragraph for the RD
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Please add a source for "although local motorists more recently use that term to refer to the
Springfield Interchange on the Capital Beltway in Springfield" or remove it. That sounds like OR without a source.
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Arlington County is an independent city... but this isn't really clear in the hatnote. Not sure what the solution is here, though. - Arlington is not a city, it is a county without any cities in it. -checked
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No source given for the fact that the road was closed for weeks. Given the nature of the closure, I'm sure that some local newspaper covered the closure in an article. Likewise for the "No stopping" sign
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In summary, the RD is not very well written. I can't tell if the prose describes the route in any sort of order or if it jumps around randomly along the route.- it is in west to east order
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Memorial, the Pentagon, the Navy Annex, the Pentagon Memorial, the Pentagon City Mall, and Arlington National Cemetery."
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