Talk:Xianbei - Knowledge

3245:.Sukhbaatar was sinologist of Mongolia and he restored some Xianbei words (G.Sukhbaatar, Mongolian history sourcebooks, Volume I, 1991). Some word similar with Turkish word too chjichjen (Chinese pronunciation) — Mongolian: tsetsen (wise) bidechjen — Mongolian: bicheech (typist) chjeguichjen — Middle Mongolian: juuchin Modern Mongolian: zuuchin (letter carrier) fuchjen — Middle Mongolian: buurchin. This word used in Secret History of the Mongols. (cook) Türk: Burcin fuchjuchjeni — Mongolian: örtööchin (relay stationist): Ortoo Türk: Orta hulochjen — Mongolian: horchin (weapon keeper/carrier) Türk Hortcu kebochjen — Mongolian: haalgachin (doorkeeper) Türk: Halkaci Halkacu pudachjien — Mongolian: bogtagchin (woman who keeps noble's clothes) Türk: Bagdakci bağlamak örgucu syanchjen — Mongolian: zamchin (guide, middleman) tsihaichjen— Mongolian: gesgeegchin (executioner) Türk: Keskenci modern: Kesici tsivanchjen — Mongolian: helmerch (translator) uaichjen — Mongoian: üizen (title of clerk/noble) yazan yanchjen — Mongolian: yamutan Modern Mongolian: yazguurtan Türk: yazıcu yazicı yazdıran (noble) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cethe (talk • contribs) 04:52, 6 December 2013 (UTC) 2499:, "A secondary source is a source presenting and placing in context information originally reported by different authors. These include literature reviews, systematic review articles, topical monographs, specialist textbooks, handbooks, and white papers by major scientific associations. News reports are also secondary sources, but should be used with caution as they are seldom written by persons with disciplinary expertise. An appropriate secondary source is one that is published by a reputable publisher, is written by one or more experts in the field, and is peer reviewed. University presses and other publishing houses known for publishing reliable science books will document their review process. Do not confuse a scientific review (the article/document) with peer review (the activity)." 1364: 1345: 1326: 1365:

http://books.google.com/books?id=FmBmAAAAMAAJ&q=The+Taba+Xianbei,+however,+disliked+the+idea+that+they+were+mixed+blood+of+the+Han+and+Xiongnu.+Instead,+they+traced+their+ancestry+to+the+Chinese+legendary+Yellow+Emperor+(Huangdi+H%5E?,+the+symbol+of+%22earth%22+of+the+Five+Elements)+in+order&dq=The+Taba+Xianbei,+however,+disliked+the+idea+that+they+were+mixed+blood+of+the+Han+and+Xiongnu.+Instead,+they+traced+their+ancestry+to+the+Chinese+legendary+Yellow+Emperor+(Huangdi+H%5E?,+the+symbol+of+%22earth%22+of+the+Five+Elements)+in+order&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6j8QUt3mIaWbygGL6oCwAg&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA

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http://books.google.com/books?id=ZDXrAAAAMAAJ&q=They+have+a+fanciful+history+complete+with+legends+claiming+the+Yellow+Emperor+as+one+of+their+ancestors.2+Although+much+of+Xianbei+culture+is+similar+to+that+of+the+Xiongnu,+there+are+distinct+differences.'+Xianbei+burials+commonly+contain+a&dq=They+have+a+fanciful+history+complete+with+legends+claiming+the+Yellow+Emperor+as+one+of+their+ancestors.2+Although+much+of+Xianbei+culture+is+similar+to+that+of+the+Xiongnu,+there+are+distinct+differences.'+Xianbei+burials+commonly+contain+a&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2D8QUpGGH4iTyQGOn4GgBg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA

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http://books.google.com/books?id=-_HpAAAAMAAJ&q=Because+his+forces+were+victorious+in+this+battle,+the+Yellow+Emperor's+clan+came+to+be+known+by+the+surname+of+%22Bear%22+(Youxiongshi).+The+Weishu+also+states+that+the+Xianbei+were+descended+from+one+of+the+sons+of+the+Yellow+Emperor,&dq=Because+his+forces+were+victorious+in+this+battle,+the+Yellow+Emperor's+clan+came+to+be+known+by+the+surname+of+%22Bear%22+(Youxiongshi).+The+Weishu+also+states+that+the+Xianbei+were+descended+from+one+of+the+sons+of+the+Yellow+Emperor,&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vj8QUoW1LKeiyAGehYBY&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA

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http://books.google.com/books?id=PASE4LVLzQ0C&pg=PA17&dq=Tabgatch+claimed+descent+from+the+Yellow+Emperor+the+Yuwen+created+for+themselves+a+genealogy+stretching+back+to+the+Divine+Husbandman&hl=en&sa=X&ei=w2ZEU5juCs3YyAGr14GICg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Tabgatch%20claimed%20descent%20from%20the%20Yellow%20Emperor%20the%20Yuwen%20created%20for%20themselves%20a%20genealogy%20stretching%20back%20to%20the%20Divine%20Husbandman&f=false

168: 147: 564: 543: 774: 753: 433: 408: 497: 479: 2424:, which requires that genetic information only be added based on reliable secondary sources, meaning mainly review articles. The articles cited here are all primary sources according to the terms of WP:SCIRS, as they are written by the researchers who found the results. Unless someone can find articles on Xianbei genetics that satisfy WP:SCIRS, the genetics portion of the section will need to be removed. 784: 112: 22: 634: 2507:

used instead." The reasoning is that individual genetics studies often come to very different conclusions, so that it is necessary to have a secondary source come and declare the overall trend of genetic research. The reliance on secondary sources also weeds out a lot of bad studies that are simply ignored by other scientists.

2618:, China ca. 300 AD. They were determined to be carriers of the maternal haplogroups B, C, D, F, G2a, Z, M, and J1b1. These haplogroups are common among East Asians, and to a lesser extent Siberians. The maternal haplogroups of the Murong Xianbei were noticibly different from those of the Huns and Tuoba Xianbei. 2001:

No, duh... again with the evasive response. And why are you ignoring the points again, while providing no rationale? You had ample time to respond, rather than yelling "keep this and that". Which you just did again for the xth time (probally because there is no credible rationale from you). Do so, or

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edits anything with Turkic origins and rejects any other theories that is non-Turkic. He pro-Turkic nationalist and biasly edit everything as having pro Turkic origin and tried to edit Northern wei as Turkic dynasty, Xianbei and it's people as Turkic but reject every other theories and doesn't allow

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The name "Sumbe" needs to be used in reliable and independent English secondary sources to merit usage as an English name in the article, thus there was no credible reason to move the article. You just cited a travel website and a bird watching web site from Mongolia, neither of which has sufficient

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Are peer-reviewed studies primary or secondary sources? And Because that is not really clear for me. WP:SCIRS says nothing about peer-review. The study was puplished by US National Library of Medicine (National Institutes of Health) and supported by various chinese science organisation and assisted

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Xianbei claimed to be Hua ren and Zhongguo ren. The Xianbei Northern Wei called their own state as "China" (Zhongguo) and sought to portray themselves as Hua ren or Zhongguoren, and started calling the original inhabitants of China by the name "Han ren" so they could be lay claim to the identity of

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According to the rules, "primary sources describing genetic or genomic research into human ancestry, ancient populations, ethnicity, race, and the like, should not be used to generate content about those subjects, which are controversial. High quality secondary sources as described above should be

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speaking" (not "Turkic speaking" in which the anonymous users twisted the words around), which of course was not possible given the timeline and circumstance of linguistic history, and the fact that we know "Turkish" does not correlates to "Turkic" (i.e. German does not correlates to Germanic). 2)

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Please don't use personal attack. Don't be rude!!! I don't understand how pertinent it is. Why are you soooo rude? Please don't insult me calling me a "vandal" instead of enlightening me. You are engaged in an edit war , by the way. Be civil. If you can't discuss an issue peacefully, I'm not gonna

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article have been adequate at addressing both the people and their empire. Admittedly, someone else could argue this point better than me, but in terms of the Xianbei as a "State", they were only (and very briefly) a unified polity under Tanshihuai, Helian and Kuitou, with very little information

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In terms of consistency, it's odd that the Xianbei and their state are separate articles while their counterparts, the Xiongnu and their empire, are compiled into a single article. I'd argue that there's vastly more information about the Xiongnu empire than the Xianbei state that would warrant it

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For some reason, Ma Long is an intentional link to a disambiguation page. Knowledge does not have an article about this Ma Long, and the cited source does not mention Ma Long either; in fact, the entire book does not mention the Xianbei at all. I can't find anything about a warlord called Ma Long

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so according to some wikipedia users who always attach the term proto-mongolic to nomadic peoples, are you trolling? this page clearly states who the so called modern descendants are of these then nomadic people. according to this article mongols are not one of them... interesting, how come? i

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I think in that particular case, I agree with you, but a blanket statement that "happened in the Xiongnu era isn't relevant to the Xianbei in any way" (assume you are intending for it to be a blanket statement, rather than only to that battle) is inaccurate, because the Xiongnu and the Xianbei

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A primary source, on the other hand, "is one where the authors directly participated in the research. They filled the test tubes, analyzed the data, or designed the particle accelerator, or at least supervised those who did. Many, but not all, journal articles are primary sources—particularly

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From tibetan historian books found another version of the name "Xianbei".The meaning of the word "Sumbe" might be "sumber" because we use word "sumber uul" ( high mountain).Chinese sources says, after Modu chanyu's attack some Donghu people moved to Southern Mongolian Xianbei mountain and the

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As per above, you have just resorted to an empty attacking claim (which you know is utter bull), while completely providing no credible rationale or respond to previous points. Nice job, for making me repeat myself for a second time to your nothing (you won't be given a third time). Don't be

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Because everyone who tries to establish something on Chinese lands will eventually be assimilated into the strong Chinese culture. Manchu identity is very weak today and they were emperors for 300 years. Xianbei were nomadic and they adopted the Chinese way of setting up dynasties.

1382:(中國). Non-Han rulers expanded the definition of "China" to include non-Han peoples in addition to Han people, whenever they ruled China. Yuan, Jin, and Northern Wei documents indicate the usage of "China" by dynasties to refer to themselves began earlier than previously thought. 2311: 2306: 2291: 2301: 2296: 2286: 2251: 2246: 2322: 2319: 2316: 3005:

Perhaps English isn't your first language, but "controversial" is used here to describe "human ancestry, ancient populations, ethnicity, race, and the like". These subjects are controversial. Any genetics studies concerning these subjects has to be a secondary source. -

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wrote at the move request above) in my edit summary (which you saw when you reverted), so don't play stupid about it, ok? Neither did you provide a credible rationale or adressed any points (rather choose to ignore) to keep it, so it's mere an irrelevant WP:DICTDEF.

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regarding the last two's reigns. Besides, most of the information of the Xianbei State article are already mentioned in some way on the Xianbei article, with the exception of the "Culture" section, which can easily be intergrated and seem more approriate here.

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shows that the name "Sumbe people" or "Sumbe" yields few searches, and almost none of the results are related to this article (about an ancient group of people). The article needs to be move back to Xianbei, which is the most common name for this group.

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They have a fanciful history complete with legends claiming the Yellow Emperor as one of their ancestors.2 Although much of Xianbei culture is similar to that of the Xiongnu, there are distinct differences.' Xianbei burials commonly contain a

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http://books.google.com/books?id=isIxgPn_zfMC&pg=PA100&dq=northwestern+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5brRUuTVBMjmsASrtYKgDA&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=DbfAmvYC3NgC&pg=PA100&dq=northwestern+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5brRUuTVBMjmsASrtYKgDA&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=FJ4PrgBOVwgC&pg=PA148&dq=northwestern+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5brRUuTVBMjmsASrtYKgDA&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=rTSmYVRYJJcC&pg=PA32&dq=northwestern+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5brRUuTVBMjmsASrtYKgDA&ved=0CEIQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=wKpj1YfXfHEC&pg=PA32&dq=northwestern+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5brRUuTVBMjmsASrtYKgDA&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=Jrv-6_U5gfwC&pg=PT27&dq=northwestern+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5brRUuTVBMjmsASrtYKgDA&ved=0CDEQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=clma-5EymBkC&pg=PA22&dq=northwestern+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5brRUuTVBMjmsASrtYKgDA&ved=0CCsQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=F3baSe8QlPUC&pg=PA168&dq=northwestern+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3KXRUvqGLI7ksASy5YL4Cw&ved=0CFwQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=ou-hq_FlQY4C&pg=PA75&dq=northwestern+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3KXRUvqGLI7ksASy5YL4Cw&ved=0CD4Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=sV48AAAAQBAJ&pg=PA74&dq=northwestern+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3KXRUvqGLI7ksASy5YL4Cw&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false

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The Taba Xianbei, however, disliked the idea that they were mixed blood of the Han and Xiongnu. Instead, they traced their ancestry to the Chinese legendary Yellow Emperor (Huangdi H^?, the symbol of "earth" of the Five Elements) in order

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An anonymous editor 70.107.79.101 has added back a link to an article that has no relation to the current article. The battle which happened in the Xiongnu era isn't relevant to the Xianbei in any way. I have to remove that link. Sorry.

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http://books.google.com/books?id=n2WKejUSPRgC&pg=PA158&dq=northeast+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=HbvRUsfcILOtsATelYHQDA&ved=0CDsQ6wEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=northeast%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=x3zaRttYiekC&pg=PA520&dq=northeast+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GaXRUrTYAeHLsAS2uYHADw&ved=0CE0Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=northeast%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=iKX39fOyvNoC&pg=PA177&dq=northeast+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GaXRUrTYAeHLsAS2uYHADw&ved=0CFgQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=northeast%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=F3baSe8QlPUC&pg=PA168&dq=northeast+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GaXRUrTYAeHLsAS2uYHADw&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=northeast%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=VIWC9wCX2c8C&pg=PA196&dq=northeast+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GaXRUrTYAeHLsAS2uYHADw&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=northeast%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=ePBeFRJnE_gC&pg=PA196&dq=northeast+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GaXRUrTYAeHLsAS2uYHADw&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=northeast%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=zzEUAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA28&dq=northeast+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GaXRUrTYAeHLsAS2uYHADw&ved=0CFIQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=northeast%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false

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Because his forces were victorious in this battle, the Yellow Emperor's clan came to be known by the surname of "Bear" (Youxiongshi). The Weishu also states that the Xianbei were descended from one of the sons of the Yellow Emperor,

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http://books.google.com/books?id=RkF2zktvSmcC&pg=PA41&dq=northeast+aristocracy+tang&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qJ7RUvvoOIu0sQSE14D4Cw&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=northeast%20aristocracy%20tang&f=false

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Moderators please be aware. Knowledge SOCKPUPPET accounts WHO EDITS EVERYTHING WITH A PRO-TURKIC BIAS VIEW. He is the same person who had been blocked/banned but comes back to edit Turkic origins on what he wants.

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http://books.google.com/books?id=XT5pvPZ4vroC&pg=PA132&dq=Tuoba+language+mongolic&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VafRUpPBPMqrsATv84CoDA&ved=0CFgQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=Tuoba%20language%20mongolic&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=rHeb7wQu0xIC&pg=PA65&dq=Tuoba+language+mongolic&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VafRUpPBPMqrsATv84CoDA&ved=0CEMQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Tuoba%20language%20mongolic&f=false

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Is there any logical connectin between the two parts of this sentence? What's the purpose of the statement saying the "Xianbei became part of Chinese culture". Very unclear. What do you want to imply with that?

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from the Department of Integrative Biology of the University of California-Berkeley. So my question is: Can we use this study? If not, why? Maybe I misinterpret the WP:SCIRS or the meaning of Secondary sources?

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http://books.google.com/books?id=qY32-zfTU9AC&pg=PA272&dq=Tuoba+language+turkic&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PafRUviPJ-alsQSl5oCQDA&ved=0CD4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Tuoba%20language%20turkic&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=wjOyxUzKWLAC&pg=PA310&dq=Tuoba+language+turkic&hl=en&sa=X&ei=p6bRUtuPDofKsQTsr4DADQ&ved=0CFcQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=Tuoba%20language%20turkic&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=cjbPmfuo8XMC&pg=PA310&dq=Tuoba+language+turkic&hl=en&sa=X&ei=p6bRUtuPDofKsQTsr4DADQ&ved=0CGAQ6wEwBw#v=onepage&q=Tuoba%20language%20turkic&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=qY32-zfTU9AC&pg=PA272&dq=Tuoba+language+turkic&hl=en&sa=X&ei=sajRUt_FC_a2sAT18IGYDQ&ved=0CD4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Tuoba%20language%20turkic&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=XT5pvPZ4vroC&pg=PA55&dq=xianbei+yellow+emperor&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kjwQUrOJKsqQyAHVsIEw&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=xianbei%20yellow%20emperor&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=rHeb7wQu0xIC&pg=PA68&dq=xianbei+yellow+emperor&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kjwQUrOJKsqQyAHVsIEw&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=xianbei%20yellow%20emperor&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=BAcknxN_S8QC&pg=PA80&dq=yogurt+fish+wei&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ylUrVMKRBMSnyATJjIHQBQ&ved=0CCsQ6wEwATgU#v=onepage&q=yogurt%20fish%20wei&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=sV48AAAAQBAJ&pg=PA66&dq=yogurt+fish+wei&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qFUrVO7mF5KsyATxj4CQCw&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=yogurt%20fish%20wei&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=CWE8AAAAQBAJ&pg=PA66&dq=yogurt+fish+wei&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qFUrVO7mF5KsyATxj4CQCw&ved=0CDoQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=yogurt%20fish%20wei&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=FgtFxedkgbcC&pg=PA511&dq=wang+su+yoghurt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pFcrVMboF-L-sATUkoGABw&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=wang%20su%20yoghurt&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=Ch04UBWfplQC&pg=PA126&dq=wang+su+yoghurt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pFcrVMboF-L-sATUkoGABw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=wang%20su%20yoghurt&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=6F2XLmIVAaYC&pg=PA66&dq=wang+su+yogurt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_lUrVKK5F4OpyQS5joKwDg&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBzgK#v=onepage&q=wang%20su%20yogurt&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=QfkWAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA66&dq=wang+su+yogurt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=HlYrVMu0N8HGsQS2_oD4CA&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAzgU#v=onepage&q=wang%20su%20yogurt&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=PASE4LVLzQ0C&pg=PA22&dq=yogurt+fish+wei&hl=en&sa=X&ei=klUrVN3dB5CwyASRqoGYBA&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=yogurt%20fish%20wei&f=false

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These sources just say what name use the Mongols and Tibetans, I can't send you book, so read these internet articles. Don't change stable version, other members didn't resist alternative names.

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http://books.google.com/books?id=AeiIl2y6vJQC&pg=PT638&dq=wang+su+yogurt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=41UrVMP8IYOTyQTbxIIo&ved=0CDcQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=wang%20su%20yogurt&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=FgtFxedkgbcC&pg=PA511&dq=wang+su+yogurt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=41UrVMP8IYOTyQTbxIIo&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=wang%20su%20yogurt&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=PASE4LVLzQ0C&pg=PA249&dq=xianbei+guoyu&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-qjRUpduss2xBOj_gPgL&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=xianbei%20guoyu&f=false

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thought they were "proto-mongol" or whatever? isnt this contradicting or not? any person out there without a clear bias lens that is not a mongolian nationalist that can look into this?

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anything that is different to it. He still does this despite his edits being removed many times he uses different ip address to keep editing Turkic origins for everything he wants.

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The first state to emerge after the Huns was of the Sumbe, a Mongolian tribe who probably came from the eastern Gobi. The Sumbe State grew powerful and conquered northern China.

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could someone explain how xianbei are considered proto-mongolic, when this page clearly explains that xianbei became chinese and/or otherwise. it links no connection to mongols

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The Library of Congress is a questionable source on subjects related to the far east in general. I have run into conflicts when people copy/use from that source in particular.

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analysis from 17 Tuoba Xianbei, which indicated that these specimens were, similarly, completely East Asian in their maternal origins, belonging to haplogroups D, C, B, A and

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online, either. Unless someone can find a source that supports this statement (and identifies Ma Long) it might be best to remove the sentence (or the mention of Ma Long).

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http://books.google.com/books?id=FmBmAAAAMAAJ&q=xianbei+yellow+emperor&dq=xianbei+yellow+emperor&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kjwQUrOJKsqQyAHVsIEw&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBQ

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Zhou, Hui (20 October 2006). "Genetic analysis on Tuoba Xianbei remains excavated from Qilang Mountain Cemetery in Qahar Right Wing Middle Banner of Inner Mongolia".

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It doesn't take much common sense to know that I'm talking about exactly that, and even if you didnt.... Well, I have explicitly reffered to this section (which you

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I just don't think that genetic research of ancient populations is controversial, at least when it comes to ethnic groups such as the Cumans or the Xianbei.

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That reconstruction / theory should belong in an etymology section, definitely not as an alternative name in the lead, since it's not used at all. --

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I fail to see how I failed to answer your question, and I am reverting because your removal of pertinent information is bordering on vandalism. --

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culture, history, language, and related articles on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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to reflect actual Manchuria history. The changes were major. Please access the new changes and determine accordingly the relevence to this page.

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G.Sukhbaatar was sinologist of Mongolia and he restored some Xianbei words (G.Sukhbaatar, Mongolian history sourcebooks, Volume I, 1991).

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Did you read what i wrote? I'm not talking about moving the article!!! I say we need to keep Mongol and Tibetan names in lead section!

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http://books.google.com/books?id=ugbWH-5OjegC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

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An essay is an essay, not a policy. Policy says that journal articles can be used. Local consensus does not override policy. Period.

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Tang dynasty, mixed northwestern aristocracy vs pure northeastern aristocracy. The northwestern aristocray was mixed Xianbei and Han

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Control passed to the Uigur tribe, and the Uigur State became the most powerful in Central Asia, but did not control all of Mongolia.

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In the past I have been skeptical on that source when others have used it on China related articles. But I understand what you mean.

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credibility as source. As a foreign name, this name is highly irrelevant to the topic, there's no rational to include "Sumbe" as a

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Later, control of the Toba State passed to yet another Mongolian clan, the Nirun. The fate of the Nirun State was rather different.

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it was that they were in what is now Mongolia, Hebei, and Liaodong. Certainly they don't occupy Mongolia, Hebei, and Liaodong

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Knowledge:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_273#Using_of_primary_genetics_sources_at_Uyghur_(and_many_other_Eurasian_pages)

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Knowledge:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard&oldid=862831707#RfC:Genetics_references

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link is not a credible nor factual source for this article because: 1) it suggested that the tuoba clan of Xianbei was "

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The same could be said for every sources, even the most notable and commonly used academic references, considering the

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related articles on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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The Lu Clan of Tai Commandery and Their Contribution to the T'o-pa State of Northern Wei in the Fifth Century

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pertaining to genetics and human origins (relevant to this discussion) reflects strong community consensus:

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finally took over the Sumbe state inn 250 AD and established its own state with a number of tribal allies.

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I don't appreciate it when I directly answered your question and then was told that I didn't answer it. --

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There has been two anonymous user(s) (first 58.106.230.131, and now 81.214.153.182) who added an online

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So, to answer your question, if the scientists are directly invovled in the study, we can't use it.--

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No, you aren't answering my question at all. And why do you revert when the sicussion isn't over?

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/topic/1614-on-the-ethnicity-of-the-sui-and-tang-emperors/page-16

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This is not reason, don't change stable version, other members didn't resist alternative names.

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Zhou, Hui (March 2014). "Genetic analyses of Xianbei populations about 1,500–1,800 years old".

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origin. According to Zhou (2006) the haplogroup frequencies of the Tuoba Xianbei were 43.75%

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offers two different views on this ethnic group. That is why these two sources from online

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Also, is there a source for that "lineage of the Xianbei" image? It looks like it might be

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http://books.google.com/books?id=4-vdP2aZWhUC&pg=PA453#v=onepage&q&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=9yTFnuWQKvkC&pg=PA335#v=onepage&q&f=false

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So once again, you have no real reason and still refusing to respond to the above,

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chjeguichjen — Middle Mongolian: juuchin Modern Mongolian: zuuchin (letter carrier)

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http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/elliott/files/critical_han_studies_ch8_elliott.pdf

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About my question, the study was originaly puplished by the Journal "PLOS ONE" (

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Participate in the deletion discussions at the nomination pages linked above. —

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about the Xianbei in which it suggested that they were Mongol people instead.

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Added Tibetan name "Sumbe" , it might be more close to real name of Xianbei

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If we're looking at several other academic sources, the cultural institution

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is among the world's most prominent and well-established research centers.--

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Resolve the disparity in importance rankings among different ethnic groups

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The Xianbei called yogurt (their own ethnic food) as a food of Zhongguo.

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The Xianbei claimed to be related to the Chinese through descent by the

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Genetic studies have revealed that the Xianbei were overwhelmingly of

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The "Han Dynasty" qualifier is necessary because it needs to be known

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there's no reason to keep the DICTDEF and may freely be removed. --

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal.

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yanchjen — Mongolian: yamutan Modern Mongolian: yazguurtan (noble)

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pudachjien — Mongolian: bogtagchin (woman who keeps noble's clothes)

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The article does not even mention the term. Can we move now pls? --

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The genetics section of this article is currently in violation of

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.

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coexisted in the same geographic region for hundreds of years. --

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Knowledge editor sockpuppet using more many IP different accounts

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At the end of the Three Kingdoms section, the article states:

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I've hidden the entire sentence (i.e. between

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i didn't oppose moving, i oppose deleting alternative names.

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chjichjen (Chinese pronunciation) — Mongolian: tsetsen (wise)

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The Non-Han Emperors equated their state with the concept of

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https://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/journal-information).--

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in November 2007 examined of 17 individuals buried at the

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We must keep Mongol and Tibetan names in heading section:

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fuchjuchjeni — Mongolian: örtööchin (relay stationist):

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suggested that the Toba clan of Xianbei belongs to the

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hulochjen — Mongolian: horchin (weapon keeper/carrier)

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