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I was advised by one of the editors who agreed with me to wait a few months and resubmit. This will be my final attempt at a name change. If I can't reach consensus this time you won't see any more requests. That said, we would be fine with a name change to "YUM (software)" as that would eliminate
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I don't have much of an opinion as to whether it should be "yum" (file name "Yum") or "YUM" -- I lean toward "yum" but see that it could go either way. But it should not be an expansion like "Yellowdog
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Ngrams was no help, but my (and the developer's) survey of online content shows this software most often referred to as "YUM". I will make the proposed changes shortly. Many thanks for your feedback.
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