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this reads as if it was intentional by the mints, but my interpretation of the body is that this it mostly a lucky break for numismatists. "The lower denomination coins", what denominations! Understandable the article focuses on the 1 Yuan, but if there is something more to be said for the others, I would expect to see it here. Broadly happy on the first light read to sign off on GACR 4, 5, and the aforementioned 6, will take a closer look later.
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NGC 2015 for its cited sentence.One the GACR3, the only clear oddity is the lack of collecting, which is mentioned in the lead. NGC 2015 hints at a wide number of varieties. A potential other gap is when the coins left circulation, but the replacement coins are mentioned so the topic seems broached. Good if something more could be added, but not critical.
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For spotchecks, Dean 2018 checks out, doesn't exactly have "begin" by itself out of context, but in context with the December 1914 start date it seems reasonable. I could not find the other 3 mentioned on TWL. Nonetheless, Italian Numismatic Society 2024 checks out GARC2wise for the footnote, as does
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Will be looking at this. "Fatman dollar" seems a bit unfair! Some design motifs are apparent as persisting to this day, although 壹圓 is in the opposite order. Very kind of Museums Victoria to release its images as it has. An initial question regarding "mainly serving as a substitute for mint marks",
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References were spot-checked for verification; no issues arose. I would suggest changing "emperor" to "president" though, because Yuan Shikai's tenure as the first president of the Republic is more notable than his brief stint as a pretender to the throne, hence his common description by historians
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Taels did continue to be a unit of trade silver by the late 19th century, but it was mainly a unit of weight; I'm not sure whether the Beiyang government actually produced physical taels or just used the predefined weight to define other coinage; I rephrased to make sure its understood as a weight
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About to get to this but re:spotchecking, I sadly can't help much with that, as the best books older sources on Chinese numismatics have not been digitized. :( Kann (1953) is a rare volume I had to get on interlibrary loan, while Shih is a reprint I had to purchase on Amazon. Dean, Jin, and both
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The first sentence of "Background and creation" could use some tweaking for wider comprehension. "the domestic production of silver dollars or yuan" does not make it immediately clear what "yuan" refers to. "dubbed Dragon dollars for their design" also feels an anachronism.
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Might be worth duplicating the term mint mark from the lead in the body too, where "These were intended as a way to identify which mint produced a given coin" does help me. If there is more information on that practice/decision that would be nice, although not required for
1198:"China abruptly abandoned the silver standard in 1935, with large amounts of paper currency circulating in its place, the circulation of which halted regional production of the Yuan Shikai dollar." Something about this sentence isn't flowing for me. 1039:"By early 1914, the Ministry of Finance had reopened the central mint, but continued to use the dragon dollar design", not sure there should be a "but" here, and perhaps the wording could be further tweaked to state production restarted or similar. 1047:"A centrally-produced silver dollar issue entered production by the end of 1912", how so given the previous paragraph stated the central mint only reopened in 1914 and still produced dragon dollars? 1262: 1112:
Stopping for now, but noting I am having trouble spotchecking. Are you accessing these sources offline, or could you point to one or two that can be accessed through something like TWL?
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I was initially going to put President, but I think the fact that a republic continued to put someone who declared himself emperor on their coinage is funny and interesting to me.
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I made a slight tweak to "the republic's early currency", but something more is needed to make it clear that the Beiyang Government is the republic in question.
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The first paragraph of Design and specifications also contradicts the 1912 sentence. It's also unclear if the commemorative silver dollar was issued.
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The "Fatman dollar" name should similarly be in the body. Come to think of it, no mention of collecting in the body outside of the gold coins?
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Production history overall well written. Footnotes are sourced aside from the obvious CALC one. Will try to spotcheck in a bit.
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How do we know Fuzhou's coins were substandard if no identification techniques are known?
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No comments on the Other denominations subsection at the moment, nice addition.
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Oops! Forgot about the other denominations entirely; added the info about them.
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Was the Kuping tael also being produced by the Beiyang government in 1914?
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Wright says this was somewhat intentional, but I added some context.
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I don't believe the article verifies that he was an emperor.
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Were the Fuzhou mint's 20c pieces Yuan Shikai pieces?
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Wrights are accessible on TWL through JSTOR however.
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and in his article as the "first Chinese president".
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