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The suggested elaboration on the guarding is just a recommended course of action to address the concern of Andy
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But Andy
Dingley has a good point. It would be less of a letdown for MainPage readers if they can click and actually find more info about the guarding of the third rail -- pretty sure the hook doesn't mean there were security guards lined up along the tracks. Further elaboration is recommended. (Is
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For whatever it's worth, that sort of small-press or self-published secondary sources are pretty much the norm for US local railroad history (and probably for the UK as well). For example, George W. Hilton's "American Narrow Gauge
Railroads", an academic tertiary source on the subject, cites those
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I "didn't know" that it was called the Canon Ball. However I still don't care that it was. This is utterly trivial and in no way was this some new and fascinating snippet for me to glean, surely the purpose behind DYK? It might just as well say "Did you know that it opened on
November 7, 1892?" I
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is the last leg of the journey, from Ashley to Wilkes-Barre. That is unwarranted, and it did not take 45 minutes to go that distance. The timetable in the article shows that express trains could go from
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The first "guarded third rail" is a little better and could show promise. However just what is a "guarded third rail" ? The article fails to go anywhere into this. It wasn't the first third rail system (by some years), so just what is it (if anything) that makes the guarding so
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as to first hook. The proposed hook is not supported by the source, for the reasons set forth above and in more detail on the talk page. I have not passed on the reliability of the source, which appears to be a product of a local, 12-member historical society.
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I'm not sure if "to use a private fenced right-of–way without grade crossings" (from the source) is the same as "no grade crossings" (in ALT3). And, btw, if the source is now considered acceptable, ALT1 about the "first use of a guarded
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I have not passed on reliability of the source, but it is acceptable to Andy
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a sentence to clear that up. If that doesn't work, then...
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