Template talk:Grading scheme/Archive 4

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wikipedia, with varying quality; ranging from short, badly written and cruft filled lists to the long, well-written and sourced lists that have achieved FL. The point of assessment is to show readers and editors what kind of shape the page is in and also shows if the article can be trusted better as a source. The same with lists, or so it should be. Most lists are currently being labeled as "List" class. What does this say of it's quality? Of it's reliability as a source/reference? Nothing. All it shows is that it's a list. Grading a list using the normal assessment scale can help readers understand if the page is well-written/factual, and for editors to know if it needs a bit more work (From GA to FL for example). It may increase the workload of assessers, but it gives the editors and related project the information they need to improve them. I do agree with replacing image class with file class, as there are many different types of files, and organizing them into one would decrease the needed work to make a class for each seperate file type (Sound, image, etc.). However, I do not agree with calling these types "Classes". I propose adding, along with quality/class and importance, a "Type" section, stating the type of the page (Article, List, File, Redirect, Project, etc.). This would help remove the "non-quality" classes and move them into a more appropriate section. Yes, this would involve editing every single project template, but removing this problem is far more worth it (and it will get rid of the complaining as well), especially when dealing with the quality of a page. If the page doesn't need quality (Like a project or Category), then it would get the NA-class, with the appropriate type added in. A concern some of you may face is clutter. The type could be added right below the importance, placed in the same way the upper two are. THis is an important issue that NEEDS to be addressed. Fixing this mess will ensure a more organized wikipedia all around, and will hopefully improve the quality of many pages that are wrongfully classified. Thank you for your time.

1002:"Good list" criteria, no "B-Class list" criteria, no "A-Class list review" departments. It makes no sense to grade lists on the full quality scale unless all this infrastructure is in place, and there is no evidence that it would be a net benefit for the projects using the scale to create and maintain such additional bureaucracy. Similarly, replacing "Image-Class" with "Image-Type, NA-Class" is pure make-work unless there is a tangible benefit to be gained from the transition. Images, like other non-article content, cannot be assessed on the stub/start/c/b/ga/a/fa quality scale, so there is no disadvantage in that scale being unavailable. What you are essentially proposing is that every non-article page is marked as NA-Class on the quality scale and that a whole other scale is created to compensate for that loss of semantic clarity. That is completely unnecessary. 721:

are modified then all images, etc. that have been assessed as class=image would need to be changed to class=file. IMO the simplest option would be to modify all banners to accept image and file as classes (if the projects let us), have a bot go around switching class=image to class=file, remodify the templates we edited earlier to remove class=image functionality afer a time and most of the recategorization should be simple once image can no longer be a valid class. Projects that still wish to use image can still use the template and the updated banners would use the file template and categorization. A change like this would probably be best discussed at the council with as much input as possible from all projects.

3600:"A1. The article is consistently referenced with an appropriate citation style, and all claims are verifiable against reputable sources, accurately represent the relevant body of published knowledge, and are supported with specific evidence and external citations as appropriate." The analog at FAC is "1c. well-researched: it is a thorough and representative survey of the relevant literature. Claims are verifiable against high-quality reliable sources and are supported by inline citations where appropriate." That makes the FA more stringent ("high-quality reliable sources" vs. just "reliable sources" and "thorough and representative survey" vs. "accurately represent the relevant body of published knowledge") 3606:"A3. The article has an appropriate structure of hierarchical headings, including a concise lead section that summarizes the topic and prepares the reader for the detail in the subsequent sections, and a substantial but not overwhelming table of contents." vs. "2. It follows the style guidelines, including the provision of: a. a lead: a concise lead section that summarizes the topic and prepares the reader for the detail in the subsequent sections; b. appropriate structure: a system of hierarchical section headings and a substantial but not overwhelming table of contents." Again, a repeat of basic policy expectations on both fronts. 5471: 6336:, and in the few seconds between when that happens and it gets reverted, someone clicks on the link to see what a (now) GA article is supposed to look like. That would be very confusing and misleading, right? Or imagine that we link to a stub, and someone expands it, so that it's now a pretty good article with lots of details. Before we notice and update this template, someone clicks through to see the current version of the article. They could be looking at an article that has 16 paragraphs, 10 sources, and three sections, and we've told them that it's a stub. 4453: 4290: 4031: 4208:

course be fixed, but this will result in the x-importance articles categories becoming empty, making the links useless. By "missing top-importance articles", I mean that many articles have not been assessed by any WikiProject, and that if article x is top-importance but only mid-importance to the WikiProject to which it is most associated, then article x will be missing in the category even if all WikiProjects assessed article x. If we ever get actual importance ratings, the links should IMO be restored once enough articles have been rated. --

990:, as you suggest, aimed primarily to inform readers, or the assessment would be shown on the article page; we have had numerous discussions to the conclusion that only the FA/FL star should be shown on the article page. Article assessments are arbitrary, unilaterally implemented and usually lag behind the actual quality of an article; each grade has subtle criteria that will not be obvious to the lay-reader; as such, readers cannot rely on the grade of an article, and should not be expected to do so. The assessment scale is aimed 3609:"A4. The article is written in concise and articulate English; its prose is clear, is in line with style guidelines, and does not require substantial copy-editing to be fully MoS-compliant." vs. "1a. well-written: its prose is engaging, even brilliant, and of a professional standard. ... 2. It follows the style guidelines" which links to the MOS. In short, FAs have a higher level of prose quality, and they have to be fully MoS-compliant, but As at MILHIST may require some copy-editing to reach that goal. 3612:"A5. The article contains supporting visual materials, such as images or diagrams with succinct captions, and other media, where appropriate." vs. "3. Media. It has images and other media, where appropriate, with succinct captions, and acceptable copyright status. Images included follow the image use policy. Non-free images or media must satisfy the criteria for inclusion of non-free content and be labeled accordingly" FAs have requirements related to captions that MILHIST As lack. 3603:"A2. The article is comprehensive, factually accurate, neutral and focused on the main topic; it neglects no major facts or details, presents views fairly and without bias, and does not go into unnecessary detail." vs "1b. comprehensive: it neglects no major facts or details and places the subject in context ... 1d. neutral: it presents views fairly and without bias." MILHIST combines two points from FAs into one, which is a basic policy expectation of all articles. 3617:) or Harvard referencing (Smith 2007, p. 1)—see citing sources for suggestions on formatting references; for articles with footnotes, the meta:cite format is recommended. The use of citation templates is not required. ... 1e. stable: it is not subject to ongoing edit wars and its content does not change significantly from day to day, except in response to the featured article process." There's two points FAs have to specifically follow that As don't. 31: 1727: 4758: 6533: 6452: 5693: 5415: 5313: 5250: 5151: 4946: 4576: 4540: 4336: 3964: 3191:

recall), and I have heard objections & complaints (even noms for deletion) about "Needed-Class" in the past. Rather than upsetting lots of WikiProjects that choose NOT to use these classes, we limit this template to just the "standard" classes. However, if you have found that the majority of WikiProjects are now actively using these classes, we'll certainly reconsider. Thanks,

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I couldn't find a way to do the above, except maybe to add a cleanup template or some such to it. I don't want to do that if I can help it, because I know when/if I see a page that has any kind of message on it for cleanup, or possibly unreferenced material, or anything of the sort, I run away fast.

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If you are playing with the colors anyway, I noticed the colors used for File and Needed are difficult to distinguish on some LCD displays. I found if I tilt the display I use regularly File seems to have more of a violet hue, otherwise it looks more gray. It could be I just have a screwed up display

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Not necessarily. Eventually categories, banners, etc. would need modified. For instance all BannerMeta templates accept both image and class as good values and sorts them as image-class. A good deal of banners rely on a system of #switches that modify the text and template that appear. If the banners

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Every great restaurant has both appetizers and entrées. They can both be fantastic, but one expects tha appetizer to be somewhat smaller than an entrée. Similarly there are articles that are meant to delve deeply into a specific subject, and there are others that whet the appetite about the various

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This way, when you click "sort" on the "assessment" column of a table containing articles, page views, and assessments, instead of sorting based on the alphabetical order of the quality categories (A→B→C→FA→FL→GA→Start→Stub), it will sort based on the article quality (FA→FL→A→GA→B→C→Start→Stub). See

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The difference is that the editors have to be experts. This isn't just "Good^2". Read the rules. The FAC process does not require expert review and usually is just random Wikipedians nitpicking who don't know anything about the subject. Show me the discussion where this is indicated to be different.

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A-Class can be awarded by any two editors agreeing on the article's talk page. FA-Class can only be awarded after a review through the FA process which requires spotchecks, source reviews, image/media checks and prose reviews in addition to consensus to promote as judged by the FAC delegates. That's

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have got sod all to do with article assessments; personally I'd rather lump anything that isn't an article into NA-Class and do away with the rest, but I suspect that's a minority opinion. :) But I'm also against this idea of adding a third "Type" section, which I've already seen implemented in some

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I'm the last survivor of WikiProject University of Florida, and I am trying to add additional classes for Category, File and Template. I have already added the article-class categories, and cannot figure out why they will not populate. Can someone help? I'm pretty sure there is a simple solution

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Any individual WikiProject is free to set its own standards. In theory, a WikiProject could set a standard that defines A-class as being any article that contains three inline citations and no spelling errors. MILHIST is free to require experts if it wants to. But you are not free to impose your

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As for your contention that the reviewers have to be experts, "For WikiProjects without a formal A-Class review process, the proposal to promote to A-Class should be made on the article's talk page. To be granted, the proposal should supported by two uninvolved editors, with no significant opposes.

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I don't fully understand what you're asking. Why do you have to continuously check? Aren't all of the examples specific versions from a point in time? Or do you want WikiProjects to be able to insert their own examplars? If so, that is an interesting idea, but one which would need a lot of work

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Regarding FL, one could also argue that it is illogical to split the two Featured classes. ;) Surely I have commented on the class icons before now, but I am still against their proliferation and believe that icons for FA/FL, A & GA are more than sufficient. I would prefer it to remain that way

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Fair comment about the C/Category/Start colours, less so with Stub/Template. You could also say that the proposed colour for Merge-Class falls between FA and A, but ultimately there are only a finite number of colours to play with. ;) I can have another look, though, see if I can't find something a

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About a year ago, a concern was raised that the dark grey colour used for Portal-Class makes the text a bit hard to read, especially when the colour of the text turns purple after the linked page has been visited. The discussion trailed off without any changes being made, but as this is a perfectly

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there, since there is a WikiProject for Pokemon IIRC, and being part of Top-importance Pokemon articles means being part of Top-importance articles. This is what I mean by "with non-top-importance articles". The fact that x-importance articles includes all x-importance y articles categories can of

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At a glance, the colours used for Merge and Category-Class look pretty close to those used for FA/FL and Start-Class, while the colour used for Template-Class is identical to that used by Mid-importance. In a bid to get each Class type using it's own distinctive colour, I would like to propose the

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There is a big problem with the assessment scale system, and that is classes. A class is normally a grade that shows what quality the page is of. However, the inclusion of non-quality classes interferes with the main point of assessmnet in general. For instance, List-class. There are MANY lists on

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How does one distinguish between "Some editing by subject ... experts" and "No further content additions should be necessary unless new information becomes available" without experts commenting in some form of process? Perhaps the mentions about experts should be removed since there is no actual

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I really feel that this template needs to be edited so that any project can use the "oldid", etc., fields. Without them, you have to continuously check to see if an example article is still a good example! I might try playing with it myself in the sandbox, but since I have no template experience,

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I see what's going on. We need to ensure that wherever the templates are used, that they appear in the header row of a table. This wasn't the case for the testcases when I checked. Interestingly enough, this template also seems to appear in some places where it's in a data row; I saw some places

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It has, and it is just not necessary. Templates, disambiguation pages, categories and such are not assessable, hence having a three-dimensional assessment space would be inefficient and in cases silly ("Start-Class Redirects"?). We're doing fine with the quality/importance matrix that we've been

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In this context, it is apparent that modifications to the scale should only be made when they would improve its utility and ease-of-use for those two groups. I don't believe that the changes you propose would necessarily do so. There is no accepted quality scale for list articles: there are no

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EVEN when both articles are expanded to the point where they should contain everything that an encyclopedia article on each subject should. The article on Thorhallsson is obviously incomplete, but I cannot imagine that more than a few more paragraphs on him and maybe an illustrative game can be

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for Category-Class, but that looks like it lies between B and C-Class, so I'd rather stick with my first choice as it's closer to what we have now. It's not like anything is set in stone, so if anyone has any better ideas further down the line then they're more than welcome to put them forward.

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I find that number by hovering the mouse over a version of an article from its history listing and read the number from my browser's status bar. Another method is to open the version of interest from the article's history and look at the address bar or select "Permanent link" from "tools". --

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There are a lot of non-standard classes that are only used by one or a few WikiProjects. The new version of the bot allows WikiProjects to customise things to their needs much more effectively, so these things are now much more useful. Both of these classes are treated as non-standard (as I

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could still be used. If we consider the eight A criteria in more detail, most of them (A1, A3, A5, A7, A9 and A11) would normally be used only on articles that are too short to qualify for anything other than Stub-class. The other two (A2 and A10) both cover redundancy, and I don't see how

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Actually, it doesn't. To quote the applicable page, "An A-Class article should approach the standards for a Featured article (FA), but will typically fall short because of minor style issues. The article may need minor copyedits, but it should be comprehensive, accurate, well-sourced, and

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Hi there. I added a row for the new (optional) Future-class but we all know that my English is not perfect so I'd appreciate it if someone could check it and/or rewrite where needed. Particularly, I wrote it with Doctor Who articles in mind (where it is used at the moment) and needs to be

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The use of class for two purposes both quality and type I have always found inappropriate. Before there was just lists where this was a problem now there are other types. Would it be better to have Quality of FA/GA/A/B/C/Start/Stub and Type of Article/List/Template/Category/Portal etc

2670:(and any other featured content in the Image/File NS). Needless to say, that would also take care of any conflict between abbreviations for Featured Pictures and Featured Portals. And now I must ask... why don't we have Featured Templates? There's templates out there doing some 362:

Would that be the correct venue for discussion, though? Project-Class is one of the non-standard grades (and a fairly recent addition at that), and I don't think they're covered by the Version 1.0 Editorial Team (though I may be wrong). Heck, it's not even a protected template.

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where there was an additional font-weight rule to make it bold, and some places where there wasn't. In general, we're going to have to be certain that every use of this (and the other importance templates with edit requests on this issue) appears in an appropriate location.

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Appears that almost 400 projects have an Image-Class category correctly sorted to WP 1.0. There's also the possibility of banners that use the meta template haven't created the category yet and other projects that don't participate in WP1 but still use image-class.

5862:, with all of those exceptions, it seems misleading to even mention speedy deletion in the assessment table. On the other hand, it hasn't been a frequent source of confusion or contention so far, and so it really isn't a problem that needs to be solved. Thanks, 5798:

That might have been true in 2008, with whatever state the speedy criteria were in at the time, but it is no longer true. A number of the criteria might apply to an article that is Start or better class. I propose that sentence be removed. (It's currently being

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The review should also be noted on the project's discussion page." An I might remind you, that membership in a WikiProject, or even just participation in a project's ACR doesn't make the reviewer an expert, just an interested Wikpedian offering review comments.

2666:(Warning: thinking out loud ahead, I understand the previous conversation wasn't *entirely* serious =) ) I think probably if these were ever to be implemented, "FF" (short for Featured File) should be used for Featured Picture, since then it could also apply to 6308:

Stability in the selections, since they link to historical revisions, is a good thing. Unless the criteria change, there's no need to change the selections. I know you feel otherwise, but no one else seems to agree with you, so this isn't isn't like to change.

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As I mentioned above, the links in the table don't go to the current versions of the articles, but to the versions as they stood at the time of the grading. Have you tried them? Let's consider the links in the list for the four classes that you have named:

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Hi there. I am new to this particular area of the 'pedia. My understanding is that the grading scheme is widely quoted as a guide around the place (eg. on Wikiproject assessment pages). But I also note some of the examples are from a year or more ago. Take

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well-written. A peer review by project editors should find the article to be a viable candidate for FA status. Assessing an article as A-Class requires more than one reviewer. There are two methods available for doing this." By definition, A-Class is

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Is this really the most appropriate place to discuss these changes? I know the talk pages redirect here, but as pointed out before, this template doesn't even mention a lot of these classes! I don't really have a better solution though ... — Martin

1669:(outdent) Hmm, I'm not sure whether this is the problem you're making it out to be. The aim of this was for consistency, and to avoid the need to change multiple templates the next time it is agreed to tweak the colour of a certain class. — Martin 317::) Well... granted, I may not choose to wear a shirt of this colour, but for our purposes here I don't think we need be too picky. It doesn't clash with anything else, anyway. If anyone has any other suggestions then by all means speak up. 5837:

If somebody is deliberately assessing a poor-quality page as Start-class with a view to exempting the page from CSD, that is improper use of article assessment. Assessment is driven by the quality of the content, not the other way around.

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Yes, the template currently supports project-specific examples and many projects use these. However there is not the same support for old versions which is used in the default examples. I believe this is what was being requested. — Martin

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I have to agree with Kiteman on this point. It seems that articles who are right on the edge of notability have less notable content that should be included than articles that are clearly and indisputably notable. For example, the page

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It seems that in this grading system, the appetizer will always be graded as a stub, no matter how perfect it is. Now this wouldn't necessarily be bad except the stub shows up lower than a start. This doesn't seem fair. Am I missing

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Since A-level articles are reviewed by experts, the criteria are different, but they are not as described. "Considered higher" was never subject to consensus. They are just different. If you can prove otherwise, show the discussion.

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On principle I think it is an extremely good idea, but there are huge technical issues to be resolved. By editing WPBM you can alter the categorisation of 700 banners with one edit, but if you change them to all categorise into

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The same colour you mean? No, I think all classes should have their own distinct colours, unless we were go the other way completely and give all of the "namespace" classes a single colour. I wouldn't be opposed to changing

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changes as illustrated in the table to the right. No radical departures from the colours we're already used to, just a bit of refinement. :) Alternative suggestions (should anyone have any) are of course welcome. Thoughts?

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We shouldn't link to the current version of any article, because it could get substantially changed, just seconds before someone clicks through to see what an example of that class is. Imagine that someone blanks most of

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Having second thoughts about the width stipulations. Probably the reason it was there, was to stop the columns shifting when you reveal the collapsed information. I guess I'll have to put those widths back in ... — Martin

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Sure, but Would It Be A Good Idea?™ Would FP stand for "Featured Picture" or "Featured Portal"? Unless there's a genuine need for it I wouldn't bother, though I detect a certain level of facetiousness to your comment. :)

4798:; I'm only posting on this talk page because the templates I would like to be edited all have talk pages redirecting to this talk page. To be clear, I am requesting edits, as explained above, to the following templates: 3347:

If none of the above exists, perhaps a link can be added to the Grading Scheme page that will allow editors to re-submit their pages to the "B" grade and see if it can be changed or to see what else may need changing?

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here). I have run the WP 1.0 bot twice and the Category, File and Template categories have still not populated, nor does the assessment table reflect the addition of the three optional categories. Any suggestions?

4005:, which is both missing top-importance articles and filled with non-top-importance articles, since we have no (general) importance ratings. In the previous example, this should be simply {{#if:{{{category|}}}|]|Top}} 3524:

The "applicable page" is wrong. Go ahead and show me the discussion where MilHist agreed to this. In fact, A-levels are distinguished by expert review. A-level and FA are simply different quality assurance schemes.

569:? Also, just because someone suggested the change there was no consensus that that was the best color choice and was made in haste. Because someone suggests a change does not mean it should be acted on immediately. 4509:

Also, why is it necessary to update to current version? These are supposed to be examples of articles that were correctly graded at a particular moment, not articles that are correctly graded at the present time.

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Splitting FA and FL: to me it is illogical to have FL up there where it is interrupting the article quality scale. It makes more sense with List, surely? I take your point about the assessment tables ... although

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Thanks, Michael. I think all of the categories and necessary optional coding is in place, but I am certainly no expert. I will raised the issue on the talk page for the other template. Thanks for your help.

2948:, and the College Football project lists it correctly as GA-Class. The templates seem to be in order, except for the WikiProject ACC banner (which may or may not accept assessments, I don't know). Looking at 2893:

Comment: I found about 10 (or so) projects which uses future class (Baseball, Cycling, Films, Tropical Cyclones, Albums, Alien, College football, Doctor Who, and a few more). Of those, only Dr Who has set the

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Since you've split FA & FL into separate items, it might be better to also show List by default as it looks a little odd with just FL at the end of the list. The other thing I was wondering about is the

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Renaming or deleting the parent categories are interesting possibilities which I may indeed explore. In any case though, the links should be removed when the parameter is undefined, until we get actual

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I noticed some of the example articles for the different Classes are no longer applicable, despite the (as of) statement. For example, Viewing the link for Usain Bolt comes up with a template error.

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To prevent that problem, we're always going to link to a specific revision of an article. Which revision, and which article, is something we can discuss, but it will always be a specific revision.

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is used in a table header cell, since header cells are boldfaced by default. However, it's also used in table data cells, which are normal weight by default but we still want the text to be bold. --

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Michael, your advice was spot on. Because of issues with the job queue, it just takes a while for the new categories to populate. Or so the folks on the other talk page are telling me. Regards,

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necessary, then the selection should be via a group discussion where we all agree that such-an-example is definitely C-class and not Start-class. One person's choices falls well short of that. --

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It's a goal to which Wikipedians strive. In any case, the idealization is that members of a project are experts. That's what I see on the discussions on MILHIST anyway. Go ahead and show me a

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impression of MILHIST's practice on two thousand other WikiProjects. This is the default, community-wide definition. If MILHIST wants to use a custom definition, then they need to change

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In each case all this basically does is create a default link to the main category for each importance/class type, which will make them consistant with all other -Class templates such as

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is a currently popular (~1700 page views per day) stub that meets my suggested conditions, but there are probably others that editors would think more closely represent the ideal stub.

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and this is where the oldid still points to. Somehow I removed the 2008 in my edits earlier this month. Anyway, this is now a featured article, as Fingers spotted. I have changed it to

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a talk page yet! :) "col" was chosen primarily because of the old -Class col templates which it was meant to replace, but yes, it does also neatly avoid "the American/British thing".

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I've tried out a number of different colours to see how they look alongside other class/importance colours and when set against the background of a banner template, and settled on

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Actually that would be a very good idea, as obviousl ynot all files related to WikiProjects may be images, and we certainly don't want to create classes for each type of file. --

1883:. I like the changes, and I approve of the general shift towards more pastel colours; some of the old colours (Cat, Merge and Current in particular) are really rather glaring. 4199:

Such a link is not undesirable "per se". These links are only undesirable in the current situation, where articles are not rated by importance. For example, if you search

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Please don't do that; now all the templates will have multiple parser function calls that are unnecessary and which will slow down the display of the summary tables. :(

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No that's not really so. An article is a stub if the content is jumbled and generally useless. Length doesn't affect grading. If an article is perfect it's generally a

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Has there ever been any thought on adding an "Archive-class articles" classification? This would be useful on the many archive pages across WP. Just a suggestion, --

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Dunno how widely something like this would need to be discussed; ultimately it's a fairly cosmetic change. Depends how many projects are using the class, I suppose.

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Icons have gone. I'm very sad to lose them, although I agree that space is at a premium. Let's see if we get any other comments about the position of FL. — Martin

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as a valid parameter? Then there would be project categories to rename as well. I still think it's worth doing, just might be a bigger job than first anticipated?

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anyway. The result is broken even for the main version. I am not familiar with our testcases. Am I missing something? Or is this template simply unsupported? --

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On all of the above accounts, MILHIST A-Class criteria is either a lower standard than FAs, or they're equal to each other and to basic Knowledge (XXG) policy.

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I have made many revisions to the page, as have others, so I was hoping to see if someone could review the page again to see if it meets a higher criterion...

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The grading criteria haven't changed since then, why should the examples be changed? Besides that, if changing the criteria mean that another set of examples

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where the documentation says that an extended quality scale – which adds category, disambig, file, portal, project, template – can be achieved by passing the

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I want to update the "as of" bits in the Grading Scheme. How do I find out an old edited article's number code as in, for example, "|oldid = 401969600"?

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FAs also have criteria "1c. consistent citations: where required by criterion 1c, consistently formatted inline citations using either footnotes (<ref: -->

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A lot of WikiProjects ignore the A-class rating in their grading scheme. While there is the option to mention that in the example parameter (something like "

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is more complex than I had realized. I'm going to make some tests in my sandbox, and then once my proposed outcome is working I will make a new edit request.

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Back on topic: I don't mind the new colors, although Category now looks like it lies between C and Start Classes.. Template is also close to Start as well.

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What does it matter that those four could have been regraded since those dates? I should not need to justify the continued use of these examples; instead,

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The problem I see is that having a trillion talk pages where it is possible to discuss the same thing ends up in discussions always being missed (yay for

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What? You don't like the icons? Apart from the category icon (which I agree is a bit rubbish) I think they're great and make the page more attractive.

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Yes, it could, and I even have code that could be trivially modified for it, but that's a rather large step for which we'll need a larger consensus.

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undesirable, and what do you mean by "broken categories" and "both missing top-importance articles and filled with non-top-importance articles"? --

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The WP:1.0 team has never required experts to review the pages. It has only required two "impartial" or "uninvolved" editors to make the decision.

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although I'm not sure what kind of response you will get there. I don't think there is any need to change this template at this time. — Martin

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Fair comment, though someone arbitrarily chose pink as the colour when the template was created nine months ago. As for protection, I see that

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Thank you. I am asking for the replacement of the else case ("]" in the example above) with just the label ("Top" in the previous example) in

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I'm sorry but I still didn't quit get why it shouldn't be possible to simply fix the formatting in the relevant templates? In any case, the

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Although unless I'm much mistaken, we're all three of us Brits... perhaps we should strike a blow for proper English before anyone notices

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Thankyou for your comments. However, I believe you have somewhat misinterpreted the main purpose of the assessment scheme. The scheme is

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then the selection should be via a group discussion where we all agree that such-an-example is definitely C-class and not Start-class.

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Remove bold from line '''{{#if:{{{category|}}}|{{c|{{{category}}}|Top}}|]}}'''. It's double bold. Other classes requested as well.

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Remove bold from line '''{{#if:{{{category|}}}|{{c|{{{category}}}|???}}|]}}''' It's double bold. Other classes requested as well.

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PC, are you still looking at these colours, or shall I implement the proposed changes to Merge, Category & Template? — Martin

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It does deal with the "obscure" assessments over there as well, AFAIK. A template talk page just doesn't get that many visitors.

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using so far. (Lists are the sticking point, as some projects assess them, others use the List-Class shortcut to not do it...)

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to select quality articles for static releases. Secondly, it is used by WikiProjects to co-ordinate and prioritise their work.

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Thanks for the fix and for writing the test cases. I do not think other cases should be added. Is the request now clear? --

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I added some more testcases. The idea is to test every likely combination, using both the live template and the sandbox. --

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For some reason, the Wikiproject Heraldry & Vexillology has omitted the C class in the quality sheme. How do I add it?

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Well, with the new template I could create FP-class in approx. two minutes, and then you can answer the question. — Martin

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Perhaps some of them have been regraded; but the versions that are actually linked were the stated classes at the time. --

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linking to the discussion, but only you and Melon had anything to say so I've not bothered this time (I can do, though).

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which is quite distinct from anything else we currently use. Alternative suggestions are, of course, welcome. Thoughts?

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banners. Why do we need anything in the banner to tell us what namespace we're in? It all seems a bit pointless to me.

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I think that's not the best color choice. Do I have a better idea right now? No. But I certainly don't like this one.

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The other templates in this category are not cascade protected, so I can edit them directly as a template editor. --

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is the place, since that is the template which will be changed! I would still wish for a more descriptive name like

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Do graded pages get a new looking at once in a while? Is there a place to resubmit a page for a second/third look?

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I can't see any recent edits. If you want an edit made, can you be specific about the change you need? Cheers,

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then you immediately need four hundred new categories. Which comes first, chicken or egg? WPBM already accepts

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which is the same colour used for the border of message boxes such as WikiProject banners (#C0C090). Thoughts?

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Sure, but I imagine there aren't too many eyes on that template with it being relatively new; it doesn't even

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Now that the namespace has been renamed, would it be an idea to change the name of Image-Class to File-Class?

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are easy: they have been deemed good articles, a grading that cannot be changed unless they are re-reviewed.

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no section heading in the body of the article (because of the rule of thumb that stubs have no "structure")

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class="import-top {{{class|}}}" |'''{{#if:{{{category|}}}|{{c|{{{category}}}|Top}}|]}}'''<noinclude: -->

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What advantage would it have to the wikiprojects involved over and above either Project-Class or NA-Class?

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Your argument comes down to this: change for the sake of change. That is not how Knowledge (XXG) works. --

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shouldn't the template have up-to-date articles? this is a widely used template, and will be seen by many.

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I don't really know what you're trying to say. You seem to be arguing that the parent categories (such as

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is presently, GA-class, its current version cannot be used as an example of a B-class article. Similarly

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at the beginning of the relevant line with the expression in question. Hoping for your enlightenment--

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Never mind, I've re-closed the request as I just realized the relationship between these templates and

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The link is to the Articles section of the CSD page (the A criteria). This would mean that any of the

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By "false double bolding" I assume that you mean that the bolding is superfluous when a template like

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To be honest, I would rather keep FL where it is (with FA) for consistency with assessment tables and

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Yes, the bolding is necessary for those situations when the cell is marked up with | instead of !. --

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no, i want the articles displayed here to be in their current state, not some revision 4 years ago.

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Agree with automatically displaying List-Class. I don't know of any projects which don't use it now.

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Dunno, we don't have it (nor a Featured-Portal Class) so I don't really have an answer for you. ;)

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File/Image-Class and Project-Class should probably get a mention, with their own trigger parameter.

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Okay, yes, I knew that really ;) But the td versions should be. I'll have a look into it. — Martin

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I'm sympathetic with the above comment up to a point. The likes of Template-Class, Category-Class

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4+ sources (to show that the number of sources does not result in a stub reaching Start-class)

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that stubs have ≤10 sentences, while still showing that they don't have to be extremely short)

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Too late, I noticed! XD I support the color changes, just so you all know. *goes off to study

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the discussion is held is less important than people actually knowing about it, after all. :)

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Can someone please update the following templates with the code in each respective sandbox:

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As there were no alternative suggestions forthcoming, I have implemented the animal faeces.

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The templates about importance currently contain a part such as {{#if:{{{category|}}}|]|]}}

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Damn, I thought I'd remembered that when I first added the classes. Oh well, it's in now.

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etc. Other changes are the removal of code defining the colours (these are now defined at

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Thank you. As you can see, most people there already think there should be a C class.

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There's a couple of things I haven't worked out yet. Any suggestions would be great.

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are also unprotected. It would probably be wise to request protection for all three.

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The grading criteria haven't changed since then, why should the examples be changed?

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marks. Now, in the "table data cells" you refer to, is that line used without the

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Michael, I followed your suggestion and have inserted the recommended coding (see

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I also don't wish to carry out this change on the request of just one person, so

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In actual practice, "A class" articles are reviewed by WikiProject experts as in

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I agree that it's not so user-friendly. We could probably improve this. — Martin

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in this table, particuarly as the other icons are not used in project banners or

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are not being used now, but I have asked happy-melon for clarification. — Martin

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at the editing community, and has two main purposes. Firstly, it is used by the

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Please implement the sandbox versions of the following templates, which use the

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Width of each column is not stipulated. This makes for a more balanced look IMHO

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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much tougher than 2 editors agreeing to bump the assessment. Most WikiProjects

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parameter is not compatible. However there is no reason why they can't all use

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In all honesty I think this might need to be discussed more widely. Not all of

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Just realised, the post right before this mentioned the same thing. Sorry! --

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I've posted a link to this discussion at a few of the places mentioned above.

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You mean you feel it is in some way inappropriate or you just don't like it?

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FA and FL class share some rows and I'm not sure how best to implement this.

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are rarities in that respect. In fact, most WikiProjects don't use A-Class

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It does bother me that anyone can edit that template. Should we take it to

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aspects of a broad subject and then directs the reader to main articles.

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Next New Democratic Party of Newfoundland and Labrador leadership election

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someone else could do it a lot faster and probably more effectively... —

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please make your requested changes to the template's sandbox first; see

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FA and FL rows split to allow more particular wording for featured lists

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are too much, as in each of the affected templates, there is already a

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but mismatched quotes are a bug waiting to be tripped over, so - done.

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No, I still don't understand why this is necessary. Why is a link like

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and go ahead! You are right, they are probably due an update. — Martin

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Ok, you want a MILHIST-based discussion, let's compare their specific

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Give editors of pages a "suggestions" link for getting a better grade?

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parameter, most of the others uses a custom grading template instead.

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need to demonstrate that the current examples are unsatisfactory. --

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Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology/Assessment

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http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Main_Page&oldid=291685224

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Thanks for your reply! So, are you saying that there is no way to

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FA_example={{oldid|oldid=205247985|label=Diocletian}}<br /: -->

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I added several fields that were missing including Redirect-class.

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redirects here when it isn't used in the grading scheme template.

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Reverted myself. Didn't read the preceding one carefully enough.

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Hmmm... won't project banners also need to be adjusted to accept

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Proposed colour changes for Merge, Category & Template-Class

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because it is triggered only if the value is explicitly set to

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According to the page's protection level you should be able to

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Nah, go ahead. I tried out a few more colours and came up with

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List of National Basketball Association annual assists leaders

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to ensure that all projects use the same standards. Thanks,

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I re-ordered the items so that the match the other templates

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is a poor example of a stub. IMO a good example will have:

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by a new editor as a reason their article cannot be CSD'd.)

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Hello, I made some modifications to the template including:

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Uses a subtemplate for each row to make the code much tidier

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I mean I feel it looks like the color of some animal feces.

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Knowledge (XXG) talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment

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Knowledge (XXG) talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment

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Ah-ha, fooled by the dash! :) Ignore my ramblings then...

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I've reopened the request. I'm not requesting an edit of

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Start-class assessment would eliminate such duplication.

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No Start-Class article should be in any danger of being

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I've got a proposed new version of this template in the

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is not compatible with the individual -Class templates.

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I'm stumped. Maybe you get a more informed response at

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I think it is time for updates to the example column:

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Displays the icons for each class in a separate column

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as they create a false double bolding. Kind regards,

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and others, as it now has nearly 1000 transclusions.

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as they create a false double bolding. Kind regards

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as they create a false double bolding. Kind regards

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Template-protected edit request on 30 July 2018 (1)

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Template:WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology/class

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How do you find out the history number? 3732:Template:WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology 3331:and see I have a "C" grade in the Talk page. 148:justified as belonging in an encyclopedia. 8: 4327:Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2016 845:You might also want to add the following to 3813:(if you know what you're doing, that is). 3337:...however, I see no way to go about this. 3213:Category:Pages with missing references list 3207:Category:Pages with missing references list 3070:You should be able to specify it using the 4741:for an example of what I'm talking about. 3351:Something of the sort sure would be nice. 2410:so that it is consistent with things like 1305:Proposed change of colour for Portal-Class 804:As a first step, I have boldly redirected 6227:could still be a start-class. wonder if @ 4937:Protected edit request on 12 October 2017 4739:User:CJK09/Assessment/U.S. National Parks 3232:Updating or checking the example articles 2406:parameter. Would it be better to call it 2349:template (no functional difference there) 2321:FL-Class moved down to be with List-Class 1286:Let me know if there are any problems. -- 6094:let's start that group discussion then. 5613:at the beginning of the line as well as 3381:. If you disagree, please explain here. 2049: 1724: 1712: 1308: 5728:, please remove the interlanguage link 3722:First, a consensus within the project, 3687:mechanism to gauge that status anyway. 2940:It appears to be listed currently as a 1464:. I'd edit it myself except I can't :P 914:Can a bot take care of the categories? 192: 6370:six to nine sentences (because of the 6217: 6089: 6081: 5789: 3955:Protected edit request on 7 April 2015 3862: 3848: 3448:a formalized ACR process; MILHIST and 2895: 2407: 2403: 2336:links - I can't see the point of these 784: 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 6218:A very basic description of the topic 5890:This WikiProject does not use A-Class 4300:for this alteration before using the 1900:I also support the changes. — Martin 1410:Yummy, looks like beetroot. — Martin 443:should be changed as well, to match. 406:Perhaps. Heck, I'm not even sure why 7: 3327:I made a new page somewhat recently 2191:but I'm probably not the only one. 4433:(keep) (update to current version) 4426:(keep) (update to current version) 4419:(keep) (update to current version) 4403:(keep) (update to current version) 4396:(keep) (update to current version) 4389:(keep) (update to current version) 4382:(keep) (update to current version) 4375:(keep) (update to current version) 3703:How do I add a class to a project? 2966:I see the confusion. It should be 24: 6008:, and is no longer future-class. 5780:Start class, expanded description 5625:become necessary there, or not?-- 3856:WikiProject University of Florida 3832:WikiProject University of Florida 822:Category:Image-Class Foo articles 781:Category:Image-Class Foo articles 6580: 6531: 6499: 6450: 5748: 5691: 5469: 5413: 5367: 5311: 5248: 5213: 5149: 5114: 4944: 4756: 4574: 4538: 4451: 4334: 4288: 4224:Category:Top-importance articles 4201:Category:Top-importance articles 4029: 4003:Category:Top-importance articles 3999:User:Veila#WPF: Importance scale 3962: 3396:The criteria are different, wee 3279:Update of Article Class examples 3080:(as of April 2008)</span: --> 2852:Have redirects been considered. 2794: 2439: 2260: 1725: 1428: 1277: 826:Category:File-Class Foo articles 777:Category:File-Class Foo articles 29: 5884:Hiding unused classes such as A 2724:But of course! I saw it on the 1587:. I believe the definitions in 1042:A quick question about archives 5902:19:04, 23 September 2020 (UTC) 3997:As can be seen for example on 3674:03:55, 12 September 2013 (UTC) 3640:03:40, 12 September 2013 (UTC) 3616:Smith 2007, p. 1.</ref: --> 3585:03:24, 12 September 2013 (UTC) 3565:03:20, 12 September 2013 (UTC) 3535:03:18, 12 September 2013 (UTC) 3520:03:17, 12 September 2013 (UTC) 3489:03:15, 12 September 2013 (UTC) 3474:03:14, 12 September 2013 (UTC) 3437:03:11, 12 September 2013 (UTC) 3422:03:10, 12 September 2013 (UTC) 3391:03:08, 12 September 2013 (UTC) 3329:Talk:Rockingham_Township,_Iowa 3227:18:00, 20 September 2010 (UTC) 3201:16:29, 17 September 2010 (UTC) 3185:17:44, 10 September 2010 (UTC) 522:...except to say that perhaps 1: 6405:Yes, just change the stub to 6327:01:22, 18 December 2022 (UTC) 6304:01:11, 18 December 2022 (UTC) 6292:21:06, 17 December 2022 (UTC) 6275:01:49, 17 December 2022 (UTC) 6263:21:15, 16 December 2022 (UTC) 6239:08:25, 16 December 2022 (UTC) 6189:22:27, 15 December 2022 (UTC) 6134:14:15, 15 December 2022 (UTC) 6070:09:11, 15 December 2022 (UTC) 6049:14:58, 14 December 2022 (UTC) 6033:22:55, 13 December 2022 (UTC) 6016:05:09, 13 December 2022 (UTC) 5980:00:01, 13 December 2022 (UTC) 5876:15:08, 19 February 2022 (UTC) 5851:12:52, 19 February 2022 (UTC) 5817:20:42, 18 February 2022 (UTC) 5482:the sandbox for that template 5235:12:14, 26 December 2017 (UTC) 5208:10:03, 26 December 2017 (UTC) 4912:16:30, 2 September 2017 (UTC) 4888:16:25, 2 September 2017 (UTC) 4780:16:16, 2 September 2017 (UTC) 4751:16:09, 2 September 2017 (UTC) 4631:Add table sort values as per 2995:Modifications to the template 2974:as (s)he suggested. — Martin 1608:That's probably a good idea. 1261:) and updated documentation. 996:WP:Version 1.0 Editorial Team 532:and should be protected like 467:to something less similar to 6409:. It is a better example. -- 6401:20:18, 13 January 2023 (UTC) 6383:a picture or infobox (ditto) 6349:20:04, 13 January 2023 (UTC) 6220:, which that article is not. 5953:04:40, 8 December 2022 (UTC) 5927:12:25, 11 January 2023 (UTC) 5136:07:23, 13 October 2017 (UTC) 5108:18:05, 12 October 2017 (UTC) 3762:08:41, 5 December 2013 (UTC) 3748:06:17, 5 December 2013 (UTC) 3717:21:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC) 3364:23:26, 10 October 2012 (UTC) 3315:14:31, 3 November 2010 (UTC) 3298:14:30, 3 November 2010 (UTC) 3273:09:32, 2 November 2010 (UTC) 3251:00:41, 2 November 2010 (UTC) 2918:The current good article is 2367:I don't know how to convert 1076:08:39, 27 January 2009 (UTC) 1058:03:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC) 1034:00:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC) 1015:18:05, 26 January 2009 (UTC) 981:17:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC) 941:00:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC) 924:00:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC) 910:22:20, 26 January 2009 (UTC) 859:21:34, 26 January 2009 (UTC) 841:18:13, 26 January 2009 (UTC) 800:14:50, 15 January 2009 (UTC) 760:01:38, 14 January 2009 (UTC) 745:01:07, 14 January 2009 (UTC) 731:01:01, 14 January 2009 (UTC) 716:00:52, 14 January 2009 (UTC) 698:21:31, 13 January 2009 (UTC) 661:19:04, 13 January 2009 (UTC) 637:08:09, 13 January 2009 (UTC) 617:01:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC) 582:18:43, 13 January 2009 (UTC) 552:13:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC) 518:13:34, 12 January 2009 (UTC) 504:13:32, 12 January 2009 (UTC) 487:11:35, 12 January 2009 (UTC) 448:11:23, 12 January 2009 (UTC) 434:11:21, 12 January 2009 (UTC) 420:11:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC) 394:01:55, 11 January 2009 (UTC) 18:Template talk:Grading scheme 6558:to reactivate your request. 6546:has been answered. Set the 6477:to reactivate your request. 6465:has been answered. Set the 5718:to reactivate your request. 5706:has been answered. Set the 5440:to reactivate your request. 5428:has been answered. Set the 5338:to reactivate your request. 5326:has been answered. Set the 5275:to reactivate your request. 5263:has been answered. Set the 5176:to reactivate your request. 5164:has been answered. Set the 4987:to reactivate your request. 4975:has been answered. Set the 4900:Fixing request templates. — 4625:to reactivate your request. 4613:has been answered. Set the 4565:to reactivate your request. 4553:has been answered. Set the 4361:to reactivate your request. 4349:has been answered. Set the 3989:to reactivate your request. 3977:has been answered. Set the 3941:08:21, 1 October 2014 (UTC) 3927:07:15, 1 October 2014 (UTC) 3912:07:11, 1 October 2014 (UTC) 3894:06:42, 1 October 2014 (UTC) 3875:06:04, 1 October 2014 (UTC) 3823:03:55, 1 October 2014 (UTC) 3802:11:04, 18 August 2014 (UTC) 3786:05:22, 18 August 2014 (UTC) 3697:14:52, 9 October 2013 (UTC) 3144:11:52, 24 August 2009 (UTC) 3126:11:32, 24 August 2009 (UTC) 3110:10:45, 24 August 2009 (UTC) 3065:10:31, 24 August 2009 (UTC) 665:Sounds good. Just redirect 408:Template talk:Project-Class 373:21:34, 9 January 2009 (UTC) 357:21:25, 9 January 2009 (UTC) 327:21:14, 9 January 2009 (UTC) 297:21:07, 9 January 2009 (UTC) 274:21:04, 9 January 2009 (UTC) 249:20:41, 9 January 2009 (UTC) 231:20:29, 9 January 2009 (UTC) 213:19:33, 9 January 2009 (UTC) 158:00:34, 13 August 2012 (UTC) 132:05:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC) 107:05:01, 4 January 2009 (UTC) 6615: 6419:00:20, 21 March 2023 (UTC) 5666:22:21, 7 August 2018 (UTC) 5652:20:31, 7 August 2018 (UTC) 5635:18:16, 7 August 2018 (UTC) 5589:21:50, 5 August 2018 (UTC) 5564:20:38, 5 August 2018 (UTC) 5535:21:57, 1 August 2018 (UTC) 5398:16:58, 1 August 2018 (UTC) 5384:16:43, 1 August 2018 (UTC) 4523:09:43, 15 April 2016 (UTC) 4505:06:39, 15 April 2016 (UTC) 4446:05:27, 15 April 2016 (UTC) 4269:15:36, 10 April 2015 (UTC) 4243:12:03, 10 April 2015 (UTC) 3900:Template talk:WPBannerMeta 2968:2008 ACC Championship Game 2868:"Future"-Class description 2703:I love it! You know about 2521:could easily be changed ;) 2422:{{{Project|{{{topic|}}}}}} 2363:Now irrelevant, see above. 2282:15:19, 20 April 2009 (UTC) 2255:14:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC) 2235:06:33, 20 April 2009 (UTC) 2201:15:52, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 2154:15:21, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 2109:00:27, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 2086:I noticed, don't do that. 2031:19:14, 16 April 2009 (UTC) 1998:19:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC) 1978:18:35, 16 April 2009 (UTC) 1960:18:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC) 1931:17:44, 16 April 2009 (UTC) 1913:16:40, 16 April 2009 (UTC) 1896:16:37, 16 April 2009 (UTC) 1875:16:34, 16 April 2009 (UTC) 1859:Template talk:WPBannerMeta 1848:16:25, 16 April 2009 (UTC) 1827:16:03, 16 April 2009 (UTC) 1703:02:22, 26 April 2009 (UTC) 1682:22:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC) 1650:22:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC) 1638:22:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC) 1604:19:18, 14 April 2009 (UTC) 1569:18:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC) 1552:18:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC) 1528:18:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC) 1501:18:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC) 1474:16:10, 14 April 2009 (UTC) 1450:09:02, 14 April 2009 (UTC) 1423:18:31, 10 April 2009 (UTC) 1406:18:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC) 1389:18:12, 10 April 2009 (UTC) 1359:16:27, 10 April 2009 (UTC) 6599:16:24, 11 June 2023 (UTC) 6574:14:43, 11 June 2023 (UTC) 6518:16:24, 11 June 2023 (UTC) 6493:14:37, 11 June 2023 (UTC) 5907:You can hide it by adding 5774:10:07, 12 July 2021 (UTC) 5742:09:53, 12 July 2021 (UTC) 5525:, for instance. Regards-- 5513:04:58, 31 July 2018 (UTC) 5498:04:27, 31 July 2018 (UTC) 5464:19:35, 30 July 2018 (UTC) 5362:19:38, 30 July 2018 (UTC) 5299:19:39, 30 July 2018 (UTC) 4321:19:19, 9 April 2015 (UTC) 4218:23:55, 9 April 2015 (UTC) 4188:13:11, 9 April 2015 (UTC) 4167:12:35, 9 April 2015 (UTC) 4146:09:22, 9 April 2015 (UTC) 4129:03:01, 9 April 2015 (UTC) 4054:19:49, 8 April 2015 (UTC) 4016:16:37, 8 April 2015 (UTC) 2098:, but even that is meh... 1715: 1296:12:09, 5 April 2009 (UTC) 1271:01:10, 4 April 2009 (UTC) 623:Image-Class → File-Class? 6225:ring-tailed cardinalfish 6151:Ring-tailed cardinalfish 6000:is now start-class, and 5994:ring-tailed cardinalfish 5945:are not an improvement? 5480:, I made this change in 5324:Template:High-importance 3738:needs to be changed. -- 3734:, the custom class mask 3730:. Then, as explained at 3074:parameters. For example: 3045:03:41, 5 July 2009 (UTC) 2987:08:04, 29 May 2009 (UTC) 2962:03:21, 29 May 2009 (UTC) 2935:01:56, 29 May 2009 (UTC) 2908:13:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC) 2887:12:49, 26 May 2009 (UTC) 2846:21:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC) 1689:started causing problems 1314: 1311: 861: 177:uses the same colour as 6463:Template:Top-importance 6122:a future-class article? 5992:is now a good article, 5517:Thanks for commenting, 5426:Template:Top-importance 5261:Template:Mid-importance 4969:Template:Mid-importance 4965:Template:Low-importance 4347:Template:Grading scheme 4203:, you will likely find 3975:Template:Top-importance 3849:|QUALITY_SCALE=extended 2862:23:31, 9 May 2009 (UTC) 2833:23:31, 9 May 2009 (UTC) 2816:20:52, 7 May 2009 (UTC) 2788:20:38, 5 May 2009 (UTC) 2751:07:18, 7 May 2009 (UTC) 2720:06:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC) 2699:03:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC) 2662:22:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC) 2647:22:05, 6 May 2009 (UTC) 2630:21:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC) 2616:18:03, 6 May 2009 (UTC) 2599:So if we had FP-class ( 2595:20:32, 5 May 2009 (UTC) 2578:20:14, 5 May 2009 (UTC) 2545:19:59, 5 May 2009 (UTC) 2501:18:20, 5 May 2009 (UTC) 2475:18:15, 5 May 2009 (UTC) 2461:20:36, 5 May 2009 (UTC) 2434:18:14, 5 May 2009 (UTC) 2396:20:52, 4 May 2009 (UTC) 2314:Removed due to protest. 2308:Reinstated - see below. 1863:Template talk:Cat class 1134:High-importance/sandbox 6108:a start-class article? 5189:has an unpaired bold ( 5063:Mid-importance/sandbox 5047:Low-importance/sandbox 4766:edit the page yourself 2144:bit more distinctive. 1937:Template talk:classcol 1176:Low-importance/sandbox 1155:Mid-importance/sandbox 1113:Top-importance/sandbox 6115:a stub-class article? 2920:ACC Championship Game 2873:generalized. Regards 1197:NA-importance/sandbox 141:Throstur Thorhallsson 85:Entrées vs Appetizers 42:of past discussions. 5656:Okay, thanks then!-- 5606:!</noinclude: --> 4973:Template:-importance 4587:Template:Start-Class 4463:for this alteration 2707:don't you? — Martin 2372:Grading scheme/table 2352:Uses HTML table code 1589:MediaWiki:Common.css 1259:MediaWiki:Common.css 847:MediaWiki:Common.css 6298:lettherebedarklight 6269:lettherebedarklight 6233:lettherebedarklight 6208:future of the earth 6165:Future of the Earth 6128:lettherebedarklight 6043:lettherebedarklight 6010:lettherebedarklight 6002:future of the earth 5960:Lettherebedarklight 5947:lettherebedarklight 5941:: why do you think 5162:Template:File-Class 5079:-importance/sandbox 4957:Template:Stub-Class 4551:Template:Stub-Class 4473:edit semi-protected 4459:please establish a 4380:Battle of Nam River 4296:please establish a 3808:Additional classes? 3664:their definition. 1881:Template talk:Class 1573:You are right. 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3439: 3414: 3370: 3367: 3324: 3321: 3320: 3319: 3318: 3317: 3280: 3277: 3276: 3275: 3233: 3230: 3221:Gadget850 (Ed) 3208: 3205: 3204: 3203: 3169:Justin (koavf) 3153: 3150: 3149: 3148: 3147: 3146: 3091: 3077: 3076: 3075: 3051: 3050:Revision dates 3048: 3031: 3030: 3027: 3004: 2996: 2993: 2992: 2991: 2990: 2989: 2946:featured topic 2915: 2914:Change article 2912: 2911: 2910: 2869: 2866: 2865: 2864: 2850: 2849: 2848: 2819: 2818: 2772: 2771: 2770: 2769: 2768: 2767: 2766: 2765: 2764: 2763: 2762: 2761: 2760: 2759: 2758: 2757: 2756: 2755: 2754: 2753: 2597: 2550: 2549: 2548: 2547: 2530: 2529: 2528: 2525: 2522: 2508: 2479: 2478: 2477: 2463: 2381: 2380: 2364: 2354: 2353: 2350: 2337: 2324: 2318: 2315: 2309: 2303: 2291: 2288: 2287: 2286: 2285: 2284: 2220: 2219: 2218: 2217: 2216: 2215: 2214: 2213: 2212: 2211: 2210: 2209: 2208: 2207: 2206: 2205: 2204: 2203: 2171: 2170: 2169: 2168: 2167: 2166: 2165: 2164: 2163: 2162: 2161: 2160: 2159: 2158: 2157: 2156: 2126: 2125: 2124: 2123: 2122: 2121: 2120: 2119: 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