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use "|" instead of ":". This template was created to stop people finding a non-existent template and get confused as to why it didn't work. As people become more familiar with the fact that it is a magic word, and this can be helped by replacing instances of this template with the magic word (along with other changes in the article), people will use the magic word instead, meaning there is less dependence on this template, fewer people will use it, and the risk is reduced. Ideally this template wouldn't exist, but it will be confused for the magic word for a long time yet by new and established editors, so here it is. I hope that explains, sorry it was so long!
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appropriate. Some results from typos, some from categorisation before and after moves, some from misunderstandings, and so on. As a result, not all variation indicates a positive preference for a style of sorting; much of it is an error to be corrected, and the 'bot cannot know which variants are deliberate and meaningful and which aren't. It will not be able to avoid either leaving bad sort keys in or taking good sort keys out. Category indexing is a surprisingly complex endeavour, and is not one that is likely to be solvable by automated means alone. --
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and thought that I was using the template when I have been, in fact, using the magic word all along, so I can understand how others could get confused. I see this as something that is not used nearly enough as it eliminates mis-sorted articles through incorrect spelling or not sorting by the correct word. I suppose in the future a bot could replace this template with the magic word in all locations. â
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the template, telling them to use the magic word, not the template? If not, that would seem to be one way to prevent any future confusion. Though the small list of what links here seems to suggest that people do now in general correctly use the magic word instead of the template, it would be best to guard against some future upswing in misuse.
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A minor transgression of "KISS" is a lot less intrusive and disruptive than having "{{DEFAULTSORT|Xxxxx}}" appearing at the bottoms of articles. IF you want to program a bot to go through and correct all the instances of {{DEFAULTSORT|Xxxxx}} to {{DEFAULTSORT:Xxxxx}}, then you may do so (although the
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Yes, but a lot of people type it wrongly, assuming that it's a template, and redirects are cheap, anyway. Using the magic word directly is preferable, but it's not worth editing an article just to alter {{DEFAULTSORT|Xxx}} to {{DEFAULTSORT:Xxx}}. Check "what links here" to see how common a mistake it
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Following on from the section at the top of the talk page, I see that less than 200 pages link to this template. May I ask if there is a bot that replaces tranclusions of this template with the magic word (ie. changing a | to a :) and leaves a note on the talk page of the person who incorrectly used
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It is also surprisingly frequent to find different sort keys in the same article for no good reason, i.e. for someone to sort an article in one category as "Smith", in another as "Smith, John", and in others as "Smith, John, Jr." or "Smith (musician), John" or whatever. The robot would either ignore
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already exists, but that would require a pipe symbol rather than a colon. Since {{DEFAULTSORT:}} was added to the edit box (below the "Do not copy text from other websites without permission. It will be deleted." notice when editing a page), I haven't typed it out once, because one can now insert it
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The more this template is used and appears in article code, the more people will use it not realising it is a magic word. I would say it is the most 'visible' magic word in article space, and as it has virtually the same appearance as a template (with the {{}}), people think it is a template and and
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Wikipedians (me, for example!) use cut-and-paste. If we happen to notice an article in which the Template is being used (and it appears to work), we'll replicate this mistake. Not good. "Silent" redirects will encourage Wikipedians to confuse magic words with templates. Also not good. There are
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Essentially, these restrictions is because a human is needed to judge whether the name is of the form "GIVEN NAME, FAMILY NAME". You might think that the last name is the family name, but sometimes you have double surname that are not hyphenated, or you have some Asian names (and other countries as
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on their talk pages) that lack DEFAULTSORT. AWB could suggest a defaultsort based on the category pipes, and those without category pipes could similarly have AWB suggest a defaultsort based on the article title. You'd need humans to decide on the sortkey, because, as you've said elsewhere, sorting
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Put simply, no. Using the magic word directly (as is generally considered desirable) precludes the ability to track its use, just like other magic words, such as __NOTOC__ or parser functions. It might be something that the developers could introduce, but in the absence of a compelling reason to do
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You misunderstand me. Yes, it works for HalldĂłr
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My proposal wouldn't alter those instances, only the ones that follow the pattern of the main DEFAULTSORT:Last, First pattern. This brings up another question I have: If you have DEFAULTSORT above categories, yet some categories still have a piped sort, e.g. "|First Last", would that "override" the
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which is its new name. It was moved from "Mahmud Bayram el-Tunsi". Everything updated except the DEFAULTSORT which still reflects the old name ({{DEFAULTSORT:Bayram el-Tunsi, Mahmud}}). I'm pretty sure I should change this, but I'm unsure about the proper formatting of the name. The simple formula
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It can vary based on category but in terms of alpha-sorting, wikipedia recognizes capital letters before lower-case ones, so "Z" comes before "a". So, one may want to set defaultsorts to get around this. As an example (not that these two subjects would ever appear in the same category, but if they
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Thank you for your attempt to explain. In my opinion it was exceptionally thorough given your aforementioned uncertainties. I personally would have never known about the magic word if not for this template. I also just realized that I was in error before; I misread the note concerning the template
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Some species articles with common name titles have had DEFAULTSORTs such as "parrot, grey". Many articles that once had DEFAULTSORT of that form have since had it removed. That sort order may make sense in some categories, but not in others. In categories where that order didn't make sense it was
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where I would expect Howard to be between Horn and Dan Howell; it instead puts it at the end of the H listing. I double checked to make sure I hadn't misspelled the tag, and it looks right. Is there a coding problem I'm missing (I wouldn't necessarily be able to fix it)... also this seems to have
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Maybe its common, because people see that it works, so they incorrectly conclude that they did it right? Otherwise they would take a few minutes to see why it doesn't work and discover the proper syntax. Having multiple semantic constructions for a single task is bad - creates chaos and makes
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I have been using the DEFAULTSORT tag to fix some errors in stub categories for
American politicians; either fixing incorrect ones or in some cases adding the tag to articles that don't have it. However, instead of putting them in alphabetical sequence, this is what is happening: ex. is for
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DEFAULTSORT can be used anywhere if it's helpful. Personally I prefer to sort individually per each category, except I do use it for persons' names and titles of works beginning with 'The', 'A', etc. Generally it's helpful if a page needs to be sorted differently from its title in multiple
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I fully agree (with mattbr). It is much better to correct people's mistakes silently than to point them out with large exclamation marks. The AWB approach to fixing these tiny mistakes is undoubtedly the right one. Change them, by all means, if you're already editing the article, but
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without defaultsorting. Another option could always be to defaultsort "Battle royale". A lot of the sorting though is done by bots, which is why you see "film" in (1939 Film) capitalized, although I'd say that's entirely unnecessary but it doesn't really affect anything either way.
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One wouldn't need a 180+ IQ to figure out what's wrong and what to do, right? Now this would be preventing confusion, because it would let the user know that he did it the wrong way and how to do it right. Making him believe he did it right is creating confusion, not preventing
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so, I wouldn't recommend suggesting it (I'm sure they've got more important things to work on). The intention of the template wasn't to add extra functionality, but merely to allow for typos, and to provide a place for documentation. If a similar template were to be extended (
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When there is a genus category, a sort key is normally used to sort species by epithet within the genus category. E.g. [[Category:Genus|species. A sort key is not used when there is no genus category (i.e. when a species articles is in a category for a family or higher
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well) that are in the form "FAMILY NAME, GIVEN NAME", so they need to be sorted by the first word in the the title, not the last. It is possible that the category sort keys are wrong, but in that case the bots are only perpetuating errors, not introducing new ones.
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could be a legitimate use, but can you give me an example of where it might help? I can see sorting like that in the category for the genus, but that should be an individual sortkey. What other categories would need to sort species-first to justify DEFAULTSORT?
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server load of that will probably outweigh any benefits â redirects are cheap), but to delete it would confuse people. Many users when they first see {{DEFAULTSORT:Xxxxx}} overlook the pipe symbol and conclude it's a template (I did, for one). When they find
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I'm sorry, because what I write is often confusing. I agree with there often different sort keys. That's why I said to replace only those sort keys that match the "DEFAULT" Sort key. The keys which differed, in whatever fashion, would be kept the same.
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Yes, but as I think we've noted above, it would be wasteful to correct only that without making any other improvements to the page. It's much better to have a tool like AWB altering an article to bypass the template while other changes are being made.
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Can't we just get a bot to add all of these? Like look at the categories, if over half have the same LAST, FIRST pattern, then just add a DEFUALTSORT:LAST, FIRST and delete all the |LAST, FIRST s that are in the categories? DOes that make sense?
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I realize this is probably the wrong place, but why have a "magic word" in a format that is so nearly identical to a template? Using this format is to condemn us to continue cleaning up this template and reminding editors to watch their format
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In order to prevent you can make a gadget that is turned on by default, and when save page is clicked it replaces template by magic word. I can't imagine a one-liner (because of nowiki tag etc.) but some smarter people might come up with
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I can't provide a definite answer re speeds or server load or anything like that (I suspect that it uses slightly more space), but the use of the template creates a dependence on the template for something that isn't a template â it's a
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Glad I could help. I think years ago I saw a page that had listed all the diacritics and alternate letters recognized by WP, but I can't find it now and was probably in a different context than sorting anyway. Also should probably ping
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I'm currently trying to gather more information on whether other bots exist and whether AWB has a DEFAULTSORT suggestion option. A lot of the information of DEFAULTSORT is scattered around different pages. Might it be an idea to have
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Should articles that currently have all categories individually sorted (such as article of names sorted with last name first) be edited to instead use this template or the magic word? Or does it really matter which method is used? â
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It would be unnecessarily redundant to categorize a redirect for former/birth names, as the target (the WP article title) should already be properly categorized. So "no" because there should be no category for it to be sorted
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Hmm, yeah that is confusing. I believe that guidance is incorrect. I've just randomly checked about 6 or 7 birth name redirects to famous people and none were categorized. Maybe someone else will stop by here to clarify?
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pages and output a list of those lacking DEFAULTSORT. Using the template to provide a category doesn't work because people should be using the magic word, not the template. What is needed is a category
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If we look at
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If you had not done the DEFAULTSORT the O. P. Nayyar article would have been listed in the "F" section of those two categories. If you look at the categories you will see that both of them have
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Is it possible to detect all the articles about people that don't contain DEFAULTSORTÂ ? I know many articles don't need the DEFAULTSORT key, but I want to know if it's possible to do that. â
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How to apply the template for people who don't have a
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candidates for clean up, and humans can then carry out the clean up. This would be one way to identify candidates for clean up. Possibly the only way to do it at present is to use a bot to
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I've noticed this being added to a few talk pages. Personally, I don't see a point to this. It seems overly bureaucratic and picky, really no reason to do it. Other opinions?
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to switch to DEFAULTSORT with a single click. However, as kingboyk said, don't do it unless you have made some other changes as well - this would clutter the history,
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has more information on categories and sort keys. Please note the correct syntax is {{DEFAULTSORT:Sortkey}} rather than {{DEFAULTSORT|Sortkey}}. Hope that helps,
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when encountered on species articles titled by scientific name where no common name is widely used. I will then improve the category accordingly ]. --
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