Knowledge (XXG)

Template talk:Dablinks

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981:, thanks for the feedback. Do you know anything about the internals, or in particular, how to check how expensive the query is? It seems to come back very quickly, so I'm guessing not too expensive, but I don't know. The reason for the question is, I wonder if adding that link to the /doc page as I did, might give it too much exposure, and cause too much increased load on the servers. Then again, who reads a /doc page, lol... Do let me know if you think I should remove the link, or hide it in the middle of some talk page discussion or something, to make it less appealing to click. 305:. http: and https: are both problematic. Some tools redirect http: requests to https:, presumably to meet security requirements, but in doing so divert them to the non-functional info.tm domain. https: gives a bad certificate warning, as it is certified for dispenser.info.tm rather than for the IP address. It would be helpful to bring these tools in-house to tools.wmflabs.org or similar. 1214:, we may have interpreted Russ's comment differently; I don't see any problem with the sample links in the template itself, or rather, in the template /doc page; are you saying that those three links are skewing the statistics somewhere by three false positives because they are intentional? Oor perhaps it's your comment that I don't understand? 1082: 845: 273: 430: 640:), rather than where it is currently. The trade-off appears to be, simpler wikicode in exchange for a non-standard placement of the link. (Is there a standard? Or is it just long convention?) But I don't feel strongly about it, either, as long as we can get the list-links functionality in. If there's no objection to 179:. Attempts to use dispenser.info.tm are unwise because it appears that the domain has been taken over and is controlled by someone (not Dispenser) who might be sitting on it hoping to be paid for its return, or who may be injecting malware into the browsers of anyone visiting the site. The suggestion at VPT is that 905:
of my previous clicks from the same browser? I switched to another browser (Chrome) and it doesn't work on direct click from the Template page, but right-click + "Open link in new tab" it does work. From iOS (iPhone) it always opens in a new tab, and works. I'm confused. Do you see anything wrong with my url?
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Getting inconsistent results. I have one theory now, but haven't fully tested it; I think it might be naming the window, and if you already have a tab/window open with that name, it stops returning results. If this is right, then solution is kill all other tabs, and try again. Does it sound like I'm
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to be invoked before the 'issue' or any other text is evaluated. The only way I found to do that, required the boilerplate to be accessed twice, and while that's not very elegant, I give much more weight to a clean UX than the look of the wikicode, and let's face it, any template's code looks pretty
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In my opinion, Dispenser's tools save time rather than wasting it. Like other tools, wherever hosted, they suggest changes for editors to consider, ready for us to review then publish, refine or cancel as we judge fit. The IP address for Dispenser's tools is 69.142.160.183; for example Dabfix is at
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on it and counts the number of remaining disambiguation links on the page. If there are four or fewer, it removes the template. However, the links inside the template count, so if no one manually removes them after fixing the links, and assuming there were more than four to start with, the bot will
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Having them on the doc page seems like a level of indirection that would reduce usage from casual users compared to having check/fix links embedded in many articles, but would keep the links available for those who sought them out. Is this a good compromise, as far as exposing these links? At least
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Okay, wait; now I'm getting inconsistent results, and for the first time, it's working on the Template page, but a couple of times, it didn't work from the /doc page. Could this be something about how it interacts when creating a named page (or unnamed, like '_NEW')? Could it depend on the history
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These unnamed parameters (up to ten) can be added manually by a user. Or, assuming an upgrade to DPL bot, they could be autogenerated, which would be helpful, while we wait for the check/fix links to be fixed. There's one fishy thing going on with the date param, which I haven't looked at yet; see
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I concur that the links should be disabled until the script can be hosted on safe servers. Why hasn't this been done? I know this is off topic, but we should simply project-ban any tool that uses 'private' servers, this type of a problem comes up again and again. Host on safe servers that community
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fails, which suggests that we're not doing anything different and there's a bug in PetScan or something it uses. I make heavy use of Dispenser's tools and for now I'm continuing to run them via the IP address, constructing the URLs manually where the convenience links have been removed from the
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page and try the same thing, it doesn't work, and I'm not sure why. To get it working at all, I had to uri escape the left and right brackets; is there something I'm missing here? I just don't see why transcluding an external link from the doc page, would make it stop working. I must be missing
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was an attempt to fix something we talked about at my Talk page, but unfortunately it broke something: namely keeping the show/hide link top right. If you look at the example above now, the show/hide has dropped down into the middle of the template; it's kind of ugly that way and there's some
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I don't know PetScan's internals, so run time is my only clue to efficiency. I think it's safe to advertise; not many of us will use it and we generally know our way round. I'd mention that it excludes redirects. I still prefer Dispenser's tool and it's a shame that it seems to be becoming
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copy-paste and search. My question to you (or Russ) would then be, "Okay, some fixed links remain on lists. So what?" Not trying to be flip, just trying to cut to the heart of the matter. If we want to take away the links, I'd like to get more support (pro or con) than just the three of us.
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Thanks, now I understand you, at least. We could simply place them in plain text, instead of linked, and then the problem goes away. It reduces the utility of the template somewhat, by making it harder to click through and examine the supposed dab page, but a user could still manage that via
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templates on pages that are full of footnotes, or other maintenance templates that outlast their usefulness by a decade, it's hardly surprising that a dablinks message might stay up there too long, until someone finally gets tired of it and removes it. Seems like worry #99 on the
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on the doc page, we'd have the room to include whatever caveats we felt like including, whereas that's not really practical from inside the template banner. At least if they were on the doc page, those willing to accept the risk could still use them without too much difficulty.
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Yes, that makes sense, thanks; I'll remove that part. I had second toughts about the "Please find..." verbiage; should it say, "Please find and fix..", or just a neutral statement like, "The following links in the article may need attention..." or what do you think?
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A discussion of circular links seems unnecessary to me. We are only looking for links to disambiguation pages; unless this template is appearing on a disambiguation page itself (possible, but rare), any link to a disambiguation page is not going to be circular.
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The addition of the new optional parameters to this template has had an unintended consequence: editors helpfully fix the links in the body of the article, but forget to (or are not aware they should) remove them from the template at the top of the page.
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Yeah, I can totally see that. And that's bad, why? Are they reporting on dablinks in the article, or dablinks listed in the template? If the latter, I would modestly suggest that that is the wrong approach. Those stats should be based on an actual
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It should go without saying that this should not be standard for all pages, but merely those which by their nature will and should link to many disambiguation pages which this well-intentioned bot will simply wreck otherwise.
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Responding to the situation discussed above, I thought it would be useful to extend the functionality of the page to allow the user to add some dablinks to the display as optional parameters. This is now available in the
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to the "External links" section of the doc page, perhaps with a brief warning about invalid certificates and the risk involved, linked to some standard explanation? (Maybe even our own, if there is such a page; we have
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My initial assessment actually was wrong. If it were correct, this would probably be classified as merely a minor annoyance. However, on further study, what actually happens is that the bot looks at each page with
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I think so. I keep dropping the links into talk pages but /doc seems like a better place to store them. It's also somewhere to advertise resumption of normal service or a replacement if one should appear.
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Any of plain links, external links or the piped links I suggested above should solve the problem, and it's not a disaster if we fail to solve it โ€“ assuming, again, that I've understood Russ correctly.
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in front of the rest of the url for mobile testing from a laptop, or do I have to use the mobile device for testing (I'm able to, I just like the larger interface, where possible).
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I'm also getting inconsistent results. It works the "first time" (I can't pin down exactly what I mean by that) but fails later. Also, taking a run which works and clicking
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As far as I am aware, there's no evidence that these programs were licensed under a free license, so they would need to be rewritten to avoid copyright infringement.
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ugly. The previous version did the best by the user, which is why I went with it. If you can find a way to keep that show/hide link at the top, and keep using
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Nope; killed all PetScan tabs, still no go. Purged the page, started working again; clicked again, now it worked in two tabs. I give up. (For now.)
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page, and click the "Sample run", it works for me, and returns the three links listed higher up on the doc page as the example. If you go to the
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is then visible after clicking on "Learn more". You don't need a mobile device; you can check by using the "Mobile view" link in the footer. When
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remove the template. This is not just an annoyance, it is a problem. Either intentional dablinks or external link syntax should eliminate it. --
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for show/hide link at the top. Also, it appears to interact with the date, which gets pushed below the dab list, and an extra blank line above.
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overlap (in my browser, anyway). The earlier version, was the solution I found for keeping the show/hide link top right, and that required the
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will maintain or you don't get to share your tool with the community for reasons of security and convenience (as in, wasting our time here). --
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P.S. What if we code it as an external link (https...wiki/dabpage) instead of a wikilink; does it still remain on the lists in that case?
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would do so, since it apparently already has the code to discover and identify them, as it counted "7 or more" dablinks at
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Oops. As the links in the template are intentional links to dabs, should they go to ] (or perhaps ] where appropriate)?
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Removed complaint about inability to opt out from this on needful pages. It was poor documentation: simply include the
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of the ambiguous links in the article, no problem, since the bot will then remove the template on its next daily run.
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The links that go to dispenser.info.tm seem broken for me, they don't load anything. Can anyone check if it works? --
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I think Russ is reporting the following behaviour. If I've misunderstood then please disregard my comment above.
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Entire template remains on article because some links are unfixed. Unfixed links correctly remain on lists.
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you could try using what is believed to be Dispenser's IP. For some reason unknown to me, you have to use http
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I still think it looks nicer with the link top right, but since I'm the newbie here, I just went with
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The problem is the bit in italics. The three links in the /doc are inconsequential. Is that right,
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is used, it will get truncated since it is too long unless you add the appropriate class. Also,
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Not sure if xtools has a utility that will just list all the dablinks on page, but I wish the
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of the ambiguous links, the links in the template remain as false positives on lists such as
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Yeah, not surprising. Are you saying that this is a problem? When I think of the number of
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Still, or again broken? Clicking "check" or "fix" gets you a 404 for dispenser.info.tm.
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Yes, you've got that right. The links in the /doc page don't cause any problems. --
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in this article that point to articles in the list below. They may be of the form:
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is shown on the article. This is the same thing that gets shown when wrapped with
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Fixed links incorrectly remain on lists, because they are still in the template
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these ambiguous links to articles dealing with the specific meaning intended.
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In my opinion, it looks nicer with the show/hide link top right (examples in
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https://dispenser.toolforge.org/cgi-bin/dablinks.py?page=Template:Dablinks
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Template appears on article, duplicating up to ten of those links to dabs
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template at the top of the page, with the instruction "|deny=DPL bot". โ€”
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Updates to the /doc page to follow. Thanks all, for review and tweaks!
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That's one way, as recommended (without this circumstance in mind) at
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Link to a pre-filled form for the query you just ran with ... auto-run
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Thanks for the answers to the questions at my Talk page. I know that
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https://dispenser.info.tm/~cgi-bin/dablinks.py?page=Template:Dablinks
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as a backward-compatible upgrade, and examples can be viewed on the
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instead without appropriate classes impactes the mobile view.
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the test cases. Your feedback would be appreciated. Thanks,
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This example uses real dablinks, as reported for the article
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editors helpfully fix the links in the body of the article..
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page. Here's one example, to give you an idea. This is for
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Should we include dispenser tool links from the doc page?
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Yes, that's what I meant by "intentional dablink(s)." --
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LlywelynII
14:36, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
LlywelynII
14:37, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus
reply here
01:25, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
VPT
Johnuniq
talk
01:53, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
Johnuniq
Piotrus
Dispenser
Naypta
Archive 182
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talk
10:28, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
https://dispenser.toolforge.org/cgi-bin/dablinks.py?page=Template:Dablinks
https://dispenser.info.tm/~cgi-bin/dablinks.py?page=Template:Dablinks
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus
reply here
10:31, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
here
Johnuniq
talk
11:05, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Johnuniq

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