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of the template that takes the information and presents it in, I hope, a less complex manner, by breaking the ships into sections of related types, like cargo ships, troopships, etc. Please feel free to critique/amend/ignore as you wish. Using collapsible subgroups in the template you would invoke a
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I've actually been pondering on the justification for a template for a while. These ships really don't tend to have much in common beyond being managed by the
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tags around the superscripted text that add a bit of padding between the italic text of the ship name and the superscript to prevent the crashing of the text. From comparison, it looks like a space (used in the first sample in this section) makes the superscript too far away. —
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