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I was putting the "Other handhelds" into chronological order for ease of use to navigators using this template when I realized that several of the "Other handhelds" overlapped in date with the "Early units." Since "early" is a completely ambiguous term anyway I merged the two and subcategorized by
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Well, I mean just because the iPod Touch article hasn't had this information added to it yet, doesn't mean the device shouldn't be included here. I've also attempted to add the navbox to the iPod Touch, and it was removed. I think a good indicator of where to draw the line is what the technology
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I see things the other way around. If someone follows this navbox's link to the iPod Touch article, that article should make clear why he got there. In my opinion, as long as the iPod Touch article doesn't even mention gaming (and as long as the navbox is removed from the iPod Touch article), the
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I didn't add any of those, but they all mention "games" or "gaming" in the respective articles' first or second sentence. The iPhone and iPod Touch articles don't mention gaming at all. It may be a matter of marketing, but apparently the N-Gage, Pandora and Zodiac are
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It's NOT a GPH product, it is produced by some of their distributors, hence the confunsion. I don't know the actual company's name...
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