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Russian Far East is way much bigger than the region this template is attempting to describe. I suggest using "History of
Priamurye Region" (plain, no link here) plus two extra lines below it, "Primorye Krai" and "Souththern Khabarovsk Krai" (link to Primorye Krai and Khabarovsk Krai respectively.
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Russian is the the area around the Amur River englobing : Amur Oblast (formerly called Priamurye), Primorye, Sakhalin, Jewish Autonomous Oblast and the southern part of Khabarovsk Krai. Priamurye region is mostly used in history and geography books to refer to the area around the Amur
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Removed the template from various articles because there is a no real need for it. The
History of Northeast China/Manchuria template was made in place of History of China template as a compromise. This template feels very tacky and is something that most of the articles in question can do without.
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Manchuria" is not appropriate. Like I talked about in Template_History_of_Manchuria, most all sources define Manchuria = Northeast China whether today or historic Manchuria/Northeast China and whether with current RFE included or not. Accordingly RFE and Manchuria are mutually
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Chinese map and Chinese schronicles to draw their region) , and the Mohe. Manchu-Cossack war (1652-1689) was a conflict to better determine the sphere of influence of the Russian Empire and the Qing Empire. The first round was won by the Qing in 1689 (they englobed both
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You are taking things out of context here. Fact of the matter is that the Qing is a
Chinese entity, first and foremost. This period took place after the Ming-Qing transition. As was the case with the conflict, the subsequent border wars (Yakesa 雅克萨) and treaties were largely referred to as
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And yes, as far as the definition of "Chinese" is concerned, Nuerhachi is
Chinese. You still have not answered my question regarding why you did not rename the border conflict as "Manchu-Cossack" wars. Manchu and the Qing are Chinese entities, period. If you have a problem with this,
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Heilongjiang is included because that region shared a common history with Priamurye until 1858 when they are both definively separated. Tungusic peoples lived on both part of the Amur river banks for instance the
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If you correct so quickly the affirmation about Manchu-Russian border wars. I think you would probably know who were the commanders of the Manchu Qing/Korean Joseon allied army against the Russians?
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treaty (refer to above sources). Not only that, the Qing also employed former soldiers of Zheng Chenggong from the south against the Russians. It is clear that these border conflicts are
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By the way, why do we say Mongol Invasions of Japan then, instead of Chinese Invasion of Japan (1274-1281) because they occured during the Yuan Dynasty period, didn't they???
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fought the Russians before the signature of Nerchinsk Treaty, right? In addition to that writing Sino-Russian will be confused with Sino-Soviet border conflit.
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Why do you include Heilongjiang, I am curious? Do Russian really consider it part of the Primorye region, today or past? Are there map or text description?
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so please be patient, and help to expand it instead of criticizing in addition to that please be more respectful to with
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What's your point? The subsequent attack on Yakesa by the Qing resulted in the Treaty of Nibuchu/Nerchinsk - a
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for instance if you don't believe me. What about the campaign of Albazin (or Yakesa 雅克萨)
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