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I could fix the problem on the talk page by taking out the vertical bars between the dates. Is {{ITN talk|21|May|2018|oldid=842358283}} meant to be a supported way of stating the date or was this a misapplication of the template that only turned sour when the new year cam around?
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Did a quick sample of pages that use the template and at most 5% misapply, so the scale of the problem isn't huge. But it's still something that ought to be solved. Is there a good way to let a script automatically sort this problem turning all instances of "d|m|y" into "d m y"?
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It also does not take you to the old archieves where all other blurbs of same day/period can be seen. I am aware that unlike DYK, a fixed set does not exist for ITN which can be directed to. But i guess there would be something that can be linked.
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Right now, clicking either of the two side icons on the template brings you to that icon's file page. But that isn't how the internet works these days, and I bet most people who click on the icon would rather be redirected to
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The template only needed to modified to convert "14 April" to "April 14". It appears the DD MMMM format is the most commonly used among admins who update ITN, so I've changed the template so that is the default. --
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time bomb. Those sort of bugs are the worst since one doesn't notice them at first. If the code could be changed so that the error appears immediately, editors would possible sort it out quicker.
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I'm having trouble getting this template to display the date as described in the documentation. It says I'm supposed to use {{ITN talk|March 14|2013}} to get the date to display with a comma:
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I see that you've updated the template documentation to swap the recommended date format for the first parameter. What happens to all the existing uses that followed the previous format?
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It is probably a good idea to deprecate usage of the unnamed parameters; they often cause trouble when mixed with named parameters, because their usage can be tricky and unintuitive. –
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section on DD MONTH YYYY." This transclusion does not included link of the discussion where the decision of posting it was made. It also does not show what exactly was posted.
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There's a bug with this template. I've noticed on two discussion pages that rather than the appropriate 2018 date, a date in the future (2019) was shown. Please fix!
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spooky for those who notice, but still. I support the new version, both for better resembling a real clock and representing more of the symbolic globe.
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