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3619:'s definition of official and reconciling it with reality. To use one example, are you saying that a 1987 statute that says Maori is an official language of NZ when used in defined situations such as parliament and the courts (official sitations) - which thereby enable it to be used in those situations uncontested - is of no effect unless Maori is actually used in those situations. If so, that would explain another part of the act that compels official bodies to promote Maori by using it, which usually is done through such things as bilingual publications and randomly adding Maori words into English texts. That would mean, I think, that the 1987 NZ act and many others like it around the world that make a language 'official', are conditional on the actual use of a language in an official capacity. Sorry if this isn't directly about Korea but I think it's quite important.
3568:'s argument. Tons of Wikipedian articles (And academic perceptions of it) are guided by modern influences. A good example is how the Knowledge page for the Byzantine Empire calls it the Byzantine Empire or Eastern Roman Empire even though it never once called itself that in any official capacity (instead calling itself the Roman Empire). Silla again is another example, it didn't officially adopt the name until much later in its existence. Modern perceptions of the state are as much a part of the infoboxes as are the perceptions of the state during the time it existed. And again, the infoboxes do mention that Hanja was the literary language of the time, while Old Korean didn't have a literary equivalent yet it was the dominant spoken language of the time.
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more permanent change. But the conflict is modern and political in nature, and not due mainly to the lack of clear guidance, although that plays a part, and there is no consistent precedence in country articles anyways. So whatever decision is made here should ideally provide further guidance, as that conflict is the real issue at hand, and not the lack of guidance. I think most will agree than Hanja was the official writing system, but you could also argue that did not represent the language since it wasn't spoken. Basically, there are other ways to argue for the inclusion of Hangul or exclusion of Hanja that based on the definition of "official", and as Roger points out, there is no official language in the US despite the predominance of
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broadly construed. The stumbling block for me is, while emissions are a major figure point for this dimension of analysis—probably easily the most frequently cited—due to the scope of "the environment" as a subject, it almost seems insufficiently narrow? Myriad other figures regarding pollution, deforestation, reclamation, and so on seem potentially more informative in many cases, this is unlikely to be a one-size-fits-all situation. Perhaps we could allocate generic "environmentN" parameters we can specify based on what is notable for each polity?
2677:'Drive/s on' is a phrasal verb meaning to continue driving. The intent here is drives 'on (the left/right side of the road)', with drive not being a phrasal verb, and some words missing because most English speakers know what is meant, but not all. I think the problem is we need another word or two to make the parameter clear and unambiguousl and grammatically correct, and I think we should avoid links to show what is meant. Something like "Traffic drives on what side?" IMO, this parameter is far more useful that many of the parameters used.
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somebody will have to reiterate whatever the reasoning is for why things are the way they are while other articles have native name listed. The whole point of further clarity imo is so that this doesn't happen. If we're just going to have an entire section on the orthography of the name to the exclusion of a native name, that's still just a compromise, same as with listing both Hanja and Hangul as native name.
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President and whatever other data having bullet points, as well as Dominion/Republic in the Independence subsection being in their own rows in a table. The Population title is centred, but the GDP sections wouldn't fall under this Population section but it looks like it does
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That's a very good point and quite true. My counter-argument is that such judgement calls are already being made on numerous country pages, and that if such calls are to be made they should ideally be made based on highly-cited academic measures of "democracy" that follow
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Thank you
Remsence for this interpretation and reasoning steps that clarifies the 'official language' problem that plagues many articles. It aligns with what I have always thought but never been able to express it succinctly. I will bring it up at the NZ article later and possibly elsewhere and will
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All of this comes down to user maintenance. Whether the outcome is Hanja only or nothing at all, it still comes down to how many users are interested in upkeeping that state. Otherwise it'll just be some rando reinstating Hanja or Hangul two months down the line while no one is paying attention, and
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Dictionaries will give two versions, one being use in what is considered a formal manner, ie de facto, and another one made official by some sort of formal document, ie de jure. I prefer your interpretation which is a form of the first version, but to say the second interpretation is wrong is for me
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I'm not sure to what extent you are familiar, but I humbly but strongly disagree in this specific case: it's genuinely of significant encyclopedic value in this specific language area (i.e. the
Sinosphere); the language situation necessitates it in lieu of a horrific screen-filling etymology section
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To be clear, I don't think my opinion actually differed from yours in the specific case: Given the options, I was in favour of solely literary
Chinese to the exclusion of the proposed Hangeul for Silla, as you proposed. I entertained the possibility of other Hangeul representing the pronunciation in
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to render the native_name of Korean states, even those that existed before that writing system was invented in the mid-15th century. I think this matters: obviously the Hangul rendering is important to those articles, but I cannot help but see it as incredibly misleading to use it in this particular
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that it is a liberal democracy in the way "democracy" is often understood by casual
English readers. (The body does unhelpfully state "the elections have been described by outside observers as similar to elections in the Soviet Union" without explaining what that means, and does not note the "single
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Yes. In these situations, it's usually worth noting those laws exist (people love clutter about de facto/de jure distinctions, but I think noting a de jure official status is potentially worthwhile here.) Of course, we can only dispute a language's status as being merely de jure official if there's
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The official language in the US on the federal level and in all 50 states is
English, because that's the language of governance. Some states happen to have fancy pieces of paper stating that this is the case. The colloquial "simply having the piece of paper" meaning is vapid without relation to the
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This isn't my primary concern here, but if the semantics were clarified here, would you see a change across those articles as more appropriate? Given your description, I guess it's hard not to see the situation as "compromise to stop the fighting" rather than "compromise because it's correct". It's
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Would the conclusions of editors be different than the conclusions of the EIU or V-Dem indices? And if not, why not use these highly-cited and reputable sources by academia instead of lower-quality sources and news reports? Knowledge itself is based on reliable sources, not the opinions of editors.
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Because the parameter is optional, if either Hangul or Hanja become the only native name, the other side will just delete it based on the fact that it is optional. Other users can obviously just revert, and given strong enough deterrence such as page protection and whatnot, I can see it becoming a
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Using indices in article prose is one thing. Using them in the infobox is a statement that they are a key fact to understand a country. This is also without considering potential neutrality concerns in promoting particular viewpoints about what makes a good government, which is what both V-DEM and
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I might be open to hearing the case from first principles on a personal basis, but there are a few issues with this. The infobox is supposed to reflect the article. Often infoboxes do not do this for various reasons, but it's worth keeping in mind. Few country articles discuss emissions (noted by
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I'm conflicted: as GDP and GNI are meant to be figures of general interest regarding the economic development of a polity, I also think it's worth potentially representing other material dimensions if adequately DUE per concerns in the previous RFC—I guess we can just label this one "environment"
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It is true that at first there will be large error bars, perhaps from poor countries with big forests. But in principle they are the same numbers that were agreed in Paris in 2015 and have been reported by rich countries for many years. So there is no way the world would agree on a different GHG
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I think the simplest way to deal with the ibx problems highlight is to start by creating an unambiguous definition of what 'official' means in use on wikipedia (which might differ from a dictionary definition) This is because 'official' has two meanings and we should use only one for the sake of
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As for the matter of the subpage, yeah, one could add those to that styles page without too much thought. It's used on most of the pages the root template is used on, so you're probably not spending too much budget of a sort on it without good cause. Try syncing (decide if it's worth syncing) +
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is officially a democracy, but not having a statement in the infobox somewhere stating how it is authoritarian would be misleading. There’s nothing to do with neutrality or a value judgement there. This proposal merely formalizes what is already a consensus on many pages such as the former, to
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Agree on clarification to prevent future problems and hopefully provide clarity and precedence on future cases. To reiterate the current contention surrounding Silla and other Korean polity infoboxes, these historical polities did not use the modern phonetic Korean writing system known as
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I agree that not everything in the infobox template needs to be filled in for every country. For example many countries don’t have “Coat of arms” or “national motto”, but they are available in the template in case they are important for certain countries and editors wish to fill them in.
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Re “The lack of numbers speaks to a broader issue, it is difficult to measure GHG emissions.” that has certainly been true until recently, but fortunately with new satellite measurements, better ground instruments, and more research more countries are producing more accurate numbers
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Those types of template are a problem across multiple articles..... should not be in the lead unless the article is about language(s). Basically useless to our
English readers and if it's that important to an article it should be in prose text with pronunciations etc.....like
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a 1987 statute that says Maori is an official language of NZ when used in defined situations such as parliament and the courts (official sitations) - which thereby enable it to be used in those situations uncontested - is of no effect unless Maori is actually used in those
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list of WPK-approved candidates who stand without opposition" until the end of a very long paragraph.) I would also not feel the absence of a statement on some axis of liberal democracy to totalitarian dictatorship would imply by default one or the other.
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3901:, with a discussion from 2023 at the top). There was also a question about which measure to consider (e.g. total, or per capita) - comments on this are welcome but this RfC focuses on the central question of whether to include at least one measure.
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which is 1.2 billion tonnes CO2e100 in 2022 (I expect a 2023 estimate will be up soon). And for other countries their own official estimates. However if anyone knows of a published official Iranian estimate please add it to
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I agree, that's pretty rough (and I'd guess most white flags suffer this issue in light mode). I think this would be pretty easy to fix if you marked up the container for the flag with a class, added a one liner to override
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I don't know when these were added as I'm pretty sure that formatting changes are added elsewhere, but they look the data look clumpy in my opinion. I think that the format changes should be reverted, but what do you think?
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parameter unless its semantics are clarified. Orthography and language do not have a simple relationship in cases like these, and what script we use to render historical languages alongside romanizations matters, I think.
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where people keep discussing whether or not to put "under an authoritarian dictatorship" or similar language under the Government section in the infobox. My understanding is that this section should be reserved for the
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Since this was brought up....in my personal opinion this parameter should be removed..... Never discussed in any article thus not used as info box is intended for..... That is to regurgitate information already in the
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of the government. Thus, the Government section should simply list what the country officially is, while a separate section below it should list what the country actually is. Two indices for consideration would be the
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Perhaps we should be giving some examples here.....like .Moscow vs Москва or Egypt vs Jumhūrīyat Miṣr al-ʻArabīyah. It's not a place to spam random translations.... It's about official language usage related to the
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Would be an example of what not to do..... that is multiple side bars... including language translation.... link spam sidebars are a scrolling nightmare on mobile view that's why they're discouraged
2621:, so they should stay. Time zones are often complex and full of exceptions, making summary information useless or misleading, so they should be removed (perhaps in favor of links to articles such as
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Everything you say is true. It's just... outsourcing our judgment calls exclusively to the Economist Intelligence Unit, across all country pages at once, doesn't seem like the Knowledge thing to do.
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Good point about 'drive on' as a phrasal verb. Maybe this problem could be avoided by adding "the", as in "Drive on the ... left" or "Drive on the ... left side of the road". —
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