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doubt you have multiple IP pages on your watchlist that have recently just edited. You stalk me Jack, admit it. You would be shocked at the sheer number of emails I get from other
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It's not bad faith to say you're wikistalking me. Despite your self-professed huge watchlist, you have a very blatant tendency to show up on talk pages or articles where you have never edited, to post disparagements of me, and there is no other conclusion than you followed me there, since I highly
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A law enforcement source (such as the FBI website, the RCMP website, the
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Proposal 1 is wrong, as it is obvious from the Hells Angels and Crips articles that they are criminal organizations (and both have reliable sources labeling them as such).
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