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Lastly, even though the title of the article should suffice, its nice to give the infobox an appearance that stands on its own, and having the title above the filmbox graphic (which may or may not itself carry the title) gives it a clean look and feel. Consider one may wish to screengrab the box to reuse elsewhere (email, clip to exchange) and its virtually a complete set of basic facts on the film, with its title on top. My thoughts, anyway...:) --
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I think having that information more easily available on the film's page is better (and not just a bad habit). It's more readily available by hovering your mouse over the picture, without having to click on every picture and load the larger files every time you want to know what the picture is about.
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Yes, I would object, for a couple reasons. The current
Wikistyle provides for consistentcy across all media (info boxes for films, albums, singles, etc.) with a title bar across the top that formats and works pretty well. You'd also have alot of reverting to do to go back and change it at this point.
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As far as I know, the reason for the most recent excessive editing is because of changes in the names of the fields. Minor fiddling around of the template more often than not has resulted in changes in some of these fields which cause information included in a movie's page not being shown correctly.
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did revert it back globally - the title looks really clugey outside the box. Like its hanging out there - and as Fritz points out, unlike the other examples noted earlier - film boxes/album boxes may sometimes be found down inside the article. I propose it be reverted back to having the title inside
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Yes, I've come upon the other film infoboxes too. The infobox 2 has additional cinematography and editing fields, which could be implemented as optional arguments now (if people think they are useful), infobox 3 is the same but doesn't have an editing field. Infobox 4 is only used for one film. And
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No pages were "adversely" affected. Moreover, any changes to a template used in many articles are going to affect many articles. That's a simple fact. The latest enhancements do not add or remove content. Your complaint about the workload is mincemeat. Believe me, I tried to argue the same thing at
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How is adversly affecting hundereds of pages not a valid arguement? How is discussing before a change is made, which is the rule, not valid? I have no intrest in changing the template so I have no interest geeking around and making so called "improvements". Check out how many edits I have before
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The text size is easily changed. No revert necessary. The position of subject title is easily changed. No revert necessary. Field syntax is easily changed. No revert necessary. Learn how to use the technology; otherwise, you shouldn't even be messing around with templates. If you want to experiment
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And my proposal is to get a bot to change them all to one version (I'd prefer the short versions), so that the infobox can be made as straightforward to use as possible. The other thing being changed has has been whether the movie's name should appear inside the infobox or on top of it. I'm fairly
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I, for one, find the "improvements" pretty ugly. There is a note saying that changes for this template needs to be discussed here before they're put into effect. I do not see this here. I admire you're attemt to fix this template, but frankly, I didn't know there was a problem. Can we agree to
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I fixed it, that was caused by someone changing the movie_name field to just name and someone reverting changes that made using both possible. All of this needs to get sorted out by a bot at some point, the infobox currently has several parameters that use different names for absolutely no reason
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Yes, they were adversely effected. As of now, the image field change has only added a mess to the existing images and removed information from them (is it a poster or a dvd cover or whatever). The only resulting improvement is a standardization in size, which could've been achieved by making less
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Oh, it currently does work and there are no visible adverse effects. It's just that there are several fields for the same purpose in some cases (sorry if it seems I'm repeating myself). The problem is there's currently no way of finding out which infoboxes have which fields without going through
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I think now that this template allows optional arguments, I think we could just add those from the other templates that are currently missing, and then change it so we only have one film template. And before there are any objections to this because one would have to change all the articles that
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I'm not an expert on templates, especially with this newfangled ifdef/subpage stuff, so I'm hesitant to add this. However, some poster shots, etc. may be smaller than 200px, and look awful when blown up to that size. Perhaps we could add another parameter image_size to specify a size other than
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Please look at what you're changing. The field names aren't consistant, and you keep assuming they are. The field with the caption is called 'image caption' in every infobox, not 'image_caption', while the language field is called 'movie_language'. Yes, ideally they should be consistent, but
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Whoever did their black template magic needs to add back control over the image. Many people gave good information about the image like "original poster" or "promo poster" or "reissue poseter" and set their own width, too. There should be ways to add if statements to have image_caption= and
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I agree with this, and don't think any of the "original story" "new version by" and "screenplay" fields should be here, since the "writing" field already covers them all (with qualifiers after the name if needed, in the case of the above example, you would have "Writing by : Peter Chung
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Thanks for the explanation, and it does look better, although I could see a case being made on tweaking the poster size a bit larger. However, any change which "breaks" previous syntax qualifies as significant; but you have been diligent in fixing them so little need for a ruckus. -
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field is simplified, which simply means fixing how images are used in the syntax per article. I'm arrogant and stubborn. Don't start a stupid war to protect lame complacency. Look at the example syntax at the top of this Talk page to learn how to place images in the infobox.
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You may have become complacent with bad habits, Bobet, but the information that was being used beneath those images should not be in the infobox. If you want to describe the image, describe the image on its page, as should be done. No articles were "adversely" affected.
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I find having the title of the film on the top of the template is somewhat unnecessary, as the template generally apears at the top of the article, where the title is given as the first word of the article anyway. Any objections to just removing it from the infobox?
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I think the title should be inside, cauz it looks really silly pointing out like this. the articles already have the title of the films outside in many different places like the name of the article itself..so how many guys should agree to get the title back
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So now we have to update EVERY page that uses this template because the template was changed? Then what? It will be changed back and we'll have to edit them again? Who's gonna change the hundereds of pages with this template? I refer to pages like
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I agree with Bobet, please revert the name back to "image caption". Can we finally agree not to edit the infobox anymore? It looks fine. Either that or elect one person to make edits and if we want a change we put it to a vote BEFORE it's made.
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Oh man, that's the 3rd time I've had to change that. I wish someone would protect the template page. For someone who's thinking of changing it, at least read this talk page first, even if actually discussing the changes seems unreasonable. -
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Why have so many fields for writing? You have writer (which i'm assuming a writer for a film is the screenplay writer), screenplay, original story and new version. I thought the whole idea of the infobox was a short summary. Check out
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The text size looks fine. What resolution is your monitor set at? I'm using both a desktop at 1600x1200 and a laptop at 1280x1024. The text is readable and comfortable to read. The same text size is used on the aforementioned
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syntax adds needless bytes to an article and provides information in the inappropriate place. In addition, the latest enhancements facilitate edition of the template and of the articles in which the template is used.
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I've already started to fix the syntax in the articles. Because a wiki is used by many people, the editions made by many people reduce the length of time and amount of effort necessary to solve problems. We, at
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Well, I was trying to make it clearer the title belongs to the infobox (more aproaching it from an visual point of view than from a technical one). Other media-related infoboxes do it the same way:
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sure the consensus has been that it should be inside the infobox, correct me if I'm wrong. Please reply here if you agree or disagree with anything I mentioned or have anything to add. Thanks. -
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Peter Chung". And given the large number of remakes, sequels and adaptations the modern film industry seems to turn out, I think it'd be advantageous to have more options in this area.
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revert the template and vote on it before it's put into effect? I'm mostly concerned with Text Size and the number of edits it would take to fix all the adversly effected pages.
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I don't have any problem with firefox, but trying it with lynx, I do get the same problem. And there's not much else that could cause that problem besides the hiddenStructure. -
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instead of giving you 3 other links. I've only seen the
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for an alternative. I realize it might be some effort but it looks nice without too many fields. Either that or reduce the four fields to two, original story and screenplay.
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I've started updating the syntax on each article. Since there are plenty of articles to update, we should rely on the fact that each article will be fixed eventually.
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I did not mess up the title. When looking at it on several film articles, it takes up too much space. You've gotta remember those who view on a lower resolution!
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The film title area needs the font reduced, and the infobox itself needs to be slightly wider. I do not know how to do this myself, so I am suggesting it here.
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Okay, agree. But I now moved the title inside the box, this way it's more connected to it and not just floating above. Hope this is okay with everybody... --
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I actually like the idea that all images have the same width, that way there's some more consistancy throughout Wiki, but a caption would indeed be nice.--
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Again, please remove the cinematography, editing, language (which is now doubled on most pages!), preceded by, and followed by from the template.
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Thanks. I wish there were actual differences that could be worked out. It just seems that there's a new person changing the template every day. -
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currently are not. This problem should eventually sort itself out since the preferred name for the field is 'caption' now so don't change that. -
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I removed the fields "original story", "new version by" and "screenplay" from the infobox. If you disagree with this, please leave a comment. -
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If you continue reverting the template and the recent syntax fixes to the many articles I've updated, I'll seek administrative response. Cease.
1614:(name/movie_name, caption/image caption), but just removing them from the template is not the answer, since that just messes up movie pages. -
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It's been stated that doing it like that should be avoided, because embedding a template for each field causes several harmful effects (see
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I just added the field that were in the other film infoboxes per request, please feel free to remove them or reformat them if you think so.
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Please revert the infobox to the older version as soon as possible, this is affecting many pages. If another example is needed, check out
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I am going to protect this template. Please work out your differences. it's just not good to edit a template every day. Too disruptive. --
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What is the point of having a hover caption, unless it simply displays tha movie title? What specialized use does caption serve here? --
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for compat with EP, if you think they are totally unneccissary please remove them and tell here why you think so (T:IM(EP) is on TfD)
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I didn't even know there were any others (and can't find them now; Could anyone post a link?). But I agree with Troy34 here. --
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Yes. That's the way it is with all templates that are not transcluded. The syntax fixes are simple, and can be done with a bot.
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I have found that it works, however, on the majority of pages. How about we just fix those that are negatively affected? :)
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It appears that if no imdb id is given, the infobox produces a broken link instead of no link. Should this be happening? --
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above)... Maybe this would be a good time to try to find little larger images in the cases where they're too small. --
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Your edits have been reverted as they seem to have broken a few templates. I hate template black-wizardry. KIS. —
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So does any of this move us closer to a solution for those of us not using the default skin?
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to see how the changes have affected some pages. These pages were both fine before. Thanks
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I've completed this conversion and removed support for them in the template itself. --
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whatever tweak someone did with the title screwed up quite a few infoboxes. See
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There's actually a fourth film infobox as well. Here's a link to the
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After all the recent comments, I changed it back inside for now. --
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