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The infobox is just a summary and as such we try to cut out extraneous information from it that is more easily shown in the full article. This would just clutter the infobox. To be honest it should probably be removed from most of the other infoboxes as well but that is unlikely to happen.
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I was updating some PHF player entries, and I was going to add their draft information, however the draft links directly to the NHL Draft (which is nice), but with this infobox being used for women's hockey as well, could we get a NWHL/PHF Draft links like there are for the NHL/WHA?
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