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Yeah, after I posted that I though of Husdon's Bay as well (though that's apparently relatively shallow). One of the hard parts of drawing such a line based on size is that sea borders are hard to define, and what happens when a sea is a subset of another sea, like say the Agean to the
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The problem is the section label was changed (without discussion) by an anon that keeps trying to add the Sea of
Galilee because its inaccurate name. Having previously been reverted, they not only Rd-added it, they also changed the label, thinking they were being clever, but in fact we're making the
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The lack of a technical or official definition makes this really difficult. "Bodies named sea" is indeed objective but excludes too much. We should then also have "bodies of water named bay", bodies of water named lake, gulf etc. Possibly as separate articles with see alsos or possibly wrapped up
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Chesapeake, like any bay, is where a stream/river meets the ocean, and is considered an inlet and part of the ocean. Bays should also be removed. Gulfs are more difficult, because the bodies the term covers vary so widely. The Gulf of Mexico is an extension of he Carribean, and is quite large.
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article, which follows the technical definition of a sea as a portion of an ocean that is seperated by the main portion by some land, such as a peninsula or series of islands. Mention is made of inland bodies called seas which are salty, and those are included here. In short, the two should be in
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Lawrence River. As for the remaining endorheic bodies, that's a more open question, as their nature does make them salty. So I'm not likely to remove them. But the list doesn't include
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English Channel jumped out at me especially, as did the Chesapeake Bay. The former is a narrow passage between the North Sea and the main body of the Atlantic; it's not a sea itself. Straits such as those should be left
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I agree that this would be the simplest approach but I'm not sure if it's the most helpful. Many users would be looking for waterbodies that actually are seas, and not just ones that are called seas. I also question whether the list in
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Caspian Sea is a lake. Your thoughts regarding this section of the template?
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Persian Gulf is much smaller, but there's really litte different between it and the Red Sea. The Gulf of Maine, on the other hand, is usually just considered part of the ocean.
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