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Now that you've figured out a little about this, you could go help out the poor people on the
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We don't do that. We sort in accordance with the
English alphabet. If these letters can't be used with the English alphabet, transliterate them into English before we sort them here on the English Knowledge (XXG). As it stands now, there are probably several of these in this template which are
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