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That is not necessary, it should be the same template as Wikia does. On your preferences, you should type {{SUBST:Nosubst|User:Lucas Thoms/sig}} to make your signature as a template when you sign it with four tildes, but without "Nosubst" there if you sign with four tildes it contains much characters
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I just want signatures templates (not substituted) after I sign with four tildes using (~~~~) instead of typing your signature template page and then five tildes. That's what we need here for including your signature templates copied the source from
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I believe it's providing an example of substituting the template, in case an editor didn't know what substituting was. I do agree with you though, since in its
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